at least Spotify streams are not from a machine unlike Amazon

if it was for me, I wouldn't include Alexa's plays

14 minutes ago, gasman449 said:

Only on Spotify- Ed at 5 and Noah at 34 on the audio streaming charts

but sure that has ACR applied to Stick Season doesn't it?

2 minutes ago, Bjork said:

but sure that has ACR applied to Stick Season doesn't it?

Nope the audio streaming charts do not have ACR (and also do not have free/premium weighting), it's how we're able to work out estimates for the YTD chart. Even looking at the singles chart with Noah on ACR he's doing around 8k- double that and he's doing 16k, nowhere near Ed

15 minutes ago, Bjork said:

at least Spotify streams are not from a machine unlike Amazon

if it was for me, I wouldn't include Alexa's plays

You're missing the point on what Alexa is. I know we see some strategic algorithm usage at Christmastime but Amazon Music is a completely valid streaming platform in the same way Spotify is.

Similarly, Spotify can be connected to Alexa-like devices (I have a Google Nest device connected to Spotify - in fact, I literally got it free from Spotify, which says it all!) and people can ask it to play a playlist, or a theme, in just the way they do with Alexa.

They're just the same really but Amazon, at Christmas, promote their exclusives more vigorously.

Tbh, if there was a lot more activity at the top of the charts, I would probably care more about Ed/his label moving the physical release to get the best peak. But the top end is so dire right now, I am glad someone is trying to shake things up.

It’s not like him manipulating the physical release date is looking set to stop someone else from getting a peak (unless something else blows up by then).

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Don't think Amazon is biased only at Xmas

Been trying on my friend's Amazon account for the last 6 months and if you asked for music, was always playing APT as 1st song

like clockwork

7 minutes ago, Bjork said:

Don't think Amazon is biased only at Xmas

Been trying on my friend's Amazon account for the last 6 months and if you asked for music, was always playing APT as 1st song

like clockwork

But that's not the only way of utilising Amazon Music, it's no different in that sense to Spotify autoplay in that it's just an algorithm and we know Spotify's autoplay algorithm can absolutely be utilised to propel songs upwards.

47 minutes ago, Bjork said:

at least Spotify streams are not from a machine unlike Amazon

if it was for me, I wouldn't include Alexa's plays

That wouldn't really be fair though, would it?

"Alexa, play music" and anything that is then played is not counted to the charts?

What about, "Alexa, play Brand New Music"? (This being a playlist on Amazon). Does that get discounted?

What would anyone actually count?

My reasoning for Ed delaying his CD’s 3 weeks is that they figured out he wouldn’t be doing big enough streams to get 1 even if Alex is ACR so he’s delaying them until he’s got a remix/feature

If we're talking about Spotify position, it's probably worth noting that "Azizam" has had a big collapse ever since the chart got a little askew with listing the Persian version of the song, might steer better in the days to come.

1 hour ago, Bjork said:

at least Spotify streams are not from a machine unlike Amazon

if it was for me, I wouldn't include Alexa's plays

Erm, pretty sure the only way you can listen to music is on a machine, e.g., phone tablet, TV or Bluetooth speaker 🤔

2 minutes ago, 777666jason said:

Erm, pretty sure the only way you can listen to music is on a machine, e.g., phone tablet, TV or Bluetooth speaker 🤔

The busker on front street using just his guitar and voice says otherwise 😆

8 minutes ago, Liam S said:

My reasoning for Ed delaying his CD’s 3 weeks is that they figured out he wouldn’t be doing big enough streams to get 1 even if Alex is ACR so he’s delaying them until he’s got a remix/feature

Why would delaying physicals make a difference to whether he gets a feature 🤔 it's not like he can change the track listing on the vinyls now as they take ages to press 🤣

 

1 minute ago, gasman449 said:

The busker on front street using just his guitar and voice says otherwise 😆

Dammit we must disqualify all music that is not sung by buskers 🤭

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1 minute ago, 777666jason said:

Why would delaying physicals make a difference to whether he gets a feature 🤔 it's not like he fan change the track listing on the vinyls now as they take ages to press 🤣

If you release them the same week as a remix it’ll be much more impactful

2 minutes ago, Liam S said:

If you release them the same week as a remix it’ll be much more impactful

Well considering the Persian feature made very little difference i doubt another one gonna do better (autocorrect doing me dirty today)

Edited April 26, 2025Apr 26 by 777666jason

3 minutes ago, 777666jason said:

Well considering the Persian feature made very little difference i doubt another one gonna do better (autocorrect doing me dirty today)

Yeah a 2020 style remix with some rapper having a 30 second verse about something irrelevant to the song could be in order

I can’t understand why anyone would want Spotify to have more of a stranglehold on the chart than they already do. It’s great for us that they produce daily raw listening figures but it doesn’t make them any more or less reputable a platform than the others. Those numbers aren’t the weighted figures used by the chart anyway so can be deceptive.

Also, let's not forget that one of the recent big frauds have happened on Spotify: the Derulo track and Jimin for instance. It just makes it clearer when we can see the figures.

When a song is doing fantastic numbers on ONE platform and next to nothing elsewhere, it's almost always a fraud (unless it's an exclusive to that platform - when it can still be a fraud but not just as apparent - see: Niki's You'll Be in My Heart now on Spotify or Alexa's Christmas exclusive.)

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