I get the Corbyn dislike - he is not universally liked across the country. Some of it just, some of it unjusted. I think for many older voters his links to the IRA terrifes them (e.g. my mum). Still don't know when it comes down to it though if many traditional Labour voters from a certain era will vote Conservative when it comes down to it.

 

 

Do you think Labour would be doing much better and even be in a chance of most seats or majority with a different leader?

Do you think Labour would be doing much better and even be in a chance of most seats or majority with a different leader?

If Labour had elected a better leader in 2015, there wouldn't have been an election in 2017 and there wouldn't have been an election now. We would be building up to an election next May. Furthermore, most people would have accepted the comfortable (i.e. comfortably over 52%) vote to remain in the EU in June 2016.

Do you think Labour would be doing much better and even be in a chance of most seats or majority with a different leader?

 

Yes, 100%. The problem is the party needs to move more to the Centre ground which does not seem likely at this moment in time.

Yes, 100%. The problem is the party needs to move more to the Centre ground which does not seem likely at this moment in time.

 

I don't see this happening anytime soon — with or without Corbyn.

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What is centrist though? Support for the NHS? Support for private railways transport? Support for cutting taxes??

 

A nationalised health service used to be the most radical thing ever imagined now it's centrist to support - I don't get these tags as if being centrist is the most reasonable position people can take.

I remember centre Labour. They were no Tories but they got 'red Tory' thrown at them. More importantly, they just weren't as inspiring as they needed to be. Corbyn has made them stand apart from the Conservatives and brought them back to what they originally stood for when founding our modern state post-war. Really it is the Conservatives who need to move towards the centre ground because they are far-right nonsense right now with a thin veneer of centre-right acceptability.

 

I would imagine that if Labour does pivot towards the centre, they lose the engagement of the young. In an election or two's time, I do think that a left Labour victory is very possible, and possibly inevitable depending on how badly the Tories f*** up and how well they are held to account. Doesn't help right now but will soon.

I don't see this happening anytime soon — with or without Corbyn.

 

Much easier *without*, I'd say...

I don't think they should necessarily go for a female leader after Corbyn either. Should be the best person for the job regardless of their sex.

I don't think they should necessarily go for a female leader after Corbyn either. Should be the best person for the job regardless of their sex.

Could the best person for the job not be a female leader?? What a strange statement to make.

Could the best person for the job not be a female leader?? What a strange statement to make.

 

 

Yes of course it could. There seems to be a rumour that many think the next leader must be female as they've never had a female leader.

Unfortunately the problem is that it's an easy attack line against Labour, now the Lib Dems have finally gotten a female leader, that as the last major party without any, it will be browbeaten into any male candidate by the Conservatives regardless of their qualifications.

 

You might say that that's just one thing on top of many more that they'll get attacked for by default because the Tories are never above low blows, and you'd be right, and you might say that getting a female leader really hasn't done much for the Lib Dems, and you'd also be right.

 

So in the interests of neutralising that attack line, I do hope it's done sooner rather than later. But that's all. We'll still have Corbyn for a while, I think even if Labour loses, he won't go until he has a successor primed, whatever gender they are. And I do think that more likely than not it will be a woman. There are a lot of high-profile female Labour MPs and of the male ones, Starmer is the only one I can see as a future leader at this point.

A lot of the policies announced by Labour ARE popular with the public though - and I think it is clear that public opinion has shifted since the Financial Crisis, so I agree with others here who don't really see the party changing even if they suffer a heavy defeat at the GE in a few weeks time. The problem appears to be with Corbyn and his leadership.

 

We'll still have Corbyn for a while, I think even if Labour loses, he won't go until he has a successor primed, whatever gender they are.

 

 

I'd hope that if Boris gets an overall majority that Corbyn will announce his resignation on the afternoon of 12th but stay on until a new leader is elected.

I'd hope that if Boris gets an overall majority that Corbyn will announce his resignation on the afternoon of 12th but stay on until a new leader is elected.

 

He's going to announce his resignation on polling day?

I think the next Labour leader will very likely be female but I'm very worried this means Laura Pidcock or other bad candidates.

 

For the record, there are of course terrible male Labour MPs too, but I don't think they're looking to be leader.

Could be even worse, could even be Rebecca Long-Bailey *shudders*

 

My constituency MP for as long as I’ve lived in Manchester and one I can guarantee would not get my vote if this was where I was registered to vote

Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis has written in the Times claiming the Labour Party is not doing enough to root out anti-Jewish racism - and asked people to "vote with their conscience" in the forthcoming general election.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50552068

It does baffle me that Rebecca Long-Bailey has come out of nowhere and is randomly being pimped for next leader.

 

For certain, she’d be one of the more random party leaders and certainly not one to turn the parties’ fortunes around.

He's going to announce his resignation on polling day?

 

 

Sorry, Friday 13th, unlucky for Corbyn.

It feels like the Labour leadership is Rebecca Long-Bailey's for the taking. They've really pimped her up the last year or so to take over from Corbyn when he decides to step aside.

 

When will Labour see sense and let Yvette have her rightful position as leader.