So what do we expect to happen now?

So what do we expect to happen now?

 

 

Well she should resign with immediate effect but won't. We should have a caretaker PM to try and get a better deal.

Well she should resign with immediate effect but won't. We should have a caretaker PM to try and get a better deal.

Which you're not going to get in all fairness

Well she should resign with immediate effect but won't. We should have a caretaker PM to try and get a better deal.

We're never going to get a better deal than the one we already have as a member. Contrary to what the Leave campaign said in the referendum, the EU hold nearly all the cards.

EU have been clear as day that we can have this or we can have EEA or we can stay or we can have f*** all. This won’t change things for them. At the end of the day they’ve got to look out for their members.

 

This is an insane defeat. Far far far above what I expected. I’m annoyed that we’re wasting another day playing fantasy PM for Corbyn. A defeat tomorrow for May is unlikely I’d say. It’ll be close but I can’t see enough Tories voting for their own deselection by siding with Corbyn (as that’s what they’ve allegedly been threatened with). He’d better suck it up and back a new referendum when his waste of time motion fails. We need to get this farce called off so we can start to fix the actual problems of this country.

I saw this coming she would lose it, the thing is she created a mess that needs to be ironed out first, not sure if a GE is appropriate at the moment, but I could see that happen at some point.

EU have been clear as day that we can have this or we can have EEA or we can stay or we can have f*** all. This won’t change things for them. At the end of the day they’ve got to look out for their members.

 

This is an insane defeat. Far far far above what I expected. I’m annoyed that we’re wasting another day playing fantasy PM for Corbyn. A defeat tomorrow for May is unlikely I’d say. It’ll be close but I can’t see enough Tories voting for their own deselection by siding with Corbyn (as that’s what they’ve allegedly been threatened with). He’d better suck it up and back a new referendum when his waste of time motion fails. We need to get this farce called off so we can start to fix the actual problems of this country.

 

 

No we don't need another referendum at all. We can and hopefully now will leave with No Deal. We must leave in March as that's what I and a majority of the electorate voted for.

Absolute mess.

EU have been clear as day that we can have this or we can have EEA or we can stay or we can have f*** all. This won’t change things for them. At the end of the day they’ve got to look out for their members.

 

So, you don't think they would be affected much economically by a 'no deal' despite what the Brexiteers say?

No we don't need another referendum at all. We can and hopefully now will leave with No Deal. We must leave in March as that's what I and a majority of the electorate voted for.

A no deal would be catastrophic for this country.

 

You don’t know what people voted for and given that every single time leave stood up they said we’d not leave the single market I can sure as shit say that a no deal ain’t it.

 

If you’ve nothing sensible to add pls exit the electoral role stage left.

If these were normal times we were living through she'd already be out the door!

 

I can see the no-confidence vote going straight down party lines and May trying to quickly fudge something only for it to end up as the "I Can't Believe It's Not The First Brexit Deal" which will probably end up in only a modestly less crushing defeat. What happens then is anybody's bloody guess but hopefully that second defeat would either finally push Corbyn into supporting a 2nd referendum (which would still be utterly awful let's be realistic here) or May would finally resign.

Absolute mess.

 

Indeed.

 

I do think a second referendum will eventually have to take place, even if that's going to upset a lot of people in the country, as there doesn't seem to be any deal that will go through Parliament.

So, you don't think they would be affected much economically by a 'no deal' despite what the Brexiteers say?

They will be impacted but they have to protect the sanctity of the EU project. If the UK can have its cake and eat it then that’s the end of the EU full stop. Nobody in the EU wants the project to fall apart and nobody wants the UK to leave. The reality is tho, the EU single makprket without us is 7-8 times larger than we are. They have trade deals with tonnes of countries. They’ll take a short term hit, were f***ed for decades

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Edited January 15, 20196 yr by The Snake

Indeed.

 

I do think a second referendum will eventually have to take place, even if that's going to upset a lot of people in the country, as there doesn't seem to be any deal that will go through Parliament.

 

 

It would upset a lot of Brexiteers. It's like if you have an election and you don't like the result you re-run it. :rolleyes: Like Hillary Clinton demanding and getting another election as she won the popular vote.

I saw this coming she would lose it, the thing is she created a mess that needs to be ironed out first, not sure if a GE is appropriate at the moment, but I could see that happen at some point.

 

The thing is, a General Election is unlikely to happen because of the Fixed Term Parliament Act - which makes a GE very unlikely. Thanks Clegg. Furthermore, polling isn't moving anyway from where it was in 2017, so it would be likely that if it happened, that it would return a similar result to the one we currently have, and so wouldn't fundamentally change anything.

 

The only options going forward are IMO:

 

*Leave with no deal on 29 March - which seems unlikely given it will be absolutely catastrophic. Though it is the current default option - e.g. if nothing changes in next 73 days.

*Extension of Article 50 - seems inevitable now given the scale of the defeat and the substantive changes she will need to make to the deal to get the deal to pass.

*Renegotiation with the EU - absolute non-starter, as the EU have already confirmed. This is favoured by the Brexiteers in the Cabinet.

*Second referendum (or 'PEople's Vote') - also unlikely as there is no majority for this in Parliament. Majority still want to 'respect the vote'. Huge splits could occur in Labour if this was tabled, so looks unlikely.

*Build cross-party support for a softer Brexit with Labour MPs that guarantees initial move to a 'softer Brexit' with EFTA model adopted. Most likely option at the moment.

 

It's a total mess.

Let's be honest, all lines point to a 2nd Referendum. May will win the No Confidence vote and the Labour Centrists will use the defeat as a way to try and get Corbyn to resign. 85% of MPs realise a No Deal for this country is absolutely stupid and won't allow it to happen. We are not getting a better deal, it's a surprise May negotiated a deal as we got.

 

I expect it will get put down to a vote between The Deal and Stay in the EU, no way I can see No Deal on that ballot paper.

No we don't need another referendum at all. We can and hopefully now will leave with No Deal. We must leave in March as that's what I and a majority of the electorate voted for.

What do you think that means? What do you think will be the consequences of dropping out of over 700 international agreements to which we are a party as a member of the EU? What do you think it will do to our international standing if we just walk away from our obligations? Why would any other country trust the UK to stick to future agreements? Are you happy to see hefty price rises after imports have tariffs slapped on them (as much as 40% in some cases)? What would you like to say to people who lose their jobs when export markets collapse as a result of the same tariffs?

The thing is, a General Election is unlikely to happen because of the Fixed Term Parliament Act - which makes a GE very unlikely. Thanks Clegg. Furthermore, polling isn't moving anyway from where it was in 2017, so it would be likely that if it happened, that it would return a similar result to the one we currently have, and so wouldn't fundamentally change anything.

 

The only options going forward are IMO:

 

*Leave with no deal on 29 March - which seems unlikely given it will be absolutely catastrophic. Though it is the current default option - e.g. if nothing changes in next 73 days.

*Extension of Article 50 - seems inevitable now given the scale of the defeat and the substantive changes she will need to make to the deal to get the deal to pass.

*Renegotiation with the EU - absolute non-starter, as the EU have already confirmed. This is favoured by the Brexiteers in the Cabinet.

*Second referendum (or 'PEople's Vote') - also unlikely as there is no majority for this in Parliament. Majority still want to 'respect the vote'. Huge splits could occur in Labour if this was tabled, so looks unlikely.

*Build cross-party support for a softer Brexit with Labour MPs that guarantees initial move to a 'softer Brexit' with EFTA model adopted. Most likely option at the moment.

 

It's a total mess.

 

If May wants an election, she'll get one - as she demonstrated in 2017. The FTPA makes no real difference to a confidence vote. If the government loses (even by one), it falls. The only difference is that there will be two weeks for an alternative PM to demonstrate that they can form a government.

What do you think that means? What do you think will be the consequences of dropping out of over 700 international agreements to which we are a party as a member of the EU? What do you think it will do to our international standing if we just walk away from our obligations? Why would any other country trust the UK to stick to future agreements? Are you happy to see hefty price rises after imports have tariffs slapped on them (as much as 40% in some cases)? What would you like to say to people who lose their jobs when export markets collapse as a result of the same tariffs?

 

Who cares though, ew have our borders back and we can wave a Union Jack flag. Sometimes I wish I was uneducated and could just do just that, I'm sure everything would be a bit easier.