Their poll numbers in Scotland will plummet even more now! Ba bye Bojo!

The likes of Edinburgh was indeed the only place in the whole of the UK where the Tories beat the Brexit Party in May's European elections. Scotland overall had the least bad result, thanks to the distinct brand of the Ruth Davidson party, which was able to keep soft Remainers on board in 2017 where Theresa May had failed in urban and suburban England. It will be tricky for them now, as there just aren't enough Unionist Leave voters around.

Would they all lie?

 

 

 

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Tbh I’m in shock that this is what this country has come to. We’re getting into Charles I territory in 2019 :mellow:

This all makes me sad. It feels like the precursor to something even worse, and I don't think we have any way of returning to normalcy any time soon.

Bloody hell can always count on the ardent Brexiteers to have a good laugh. As usual as clueless as ever. Leaving the "undemocratic EU" via the means of being undemocratic to our own bloody country. Hilarious. I'm still waiting on all these great deals everyone was promised in 2016.

 

Let's be honest what both sides of the coin are doing are fairly ridiculous, however the difference is one of them is democratic and the other is not. If Johnson is trying to force the EU's hand then fair enough, but it's way too risky in my opinion. I don't think they will budge. In the process of doing this he has likely ignited all of his opposition to find some common ground now. Probably a move to show the Brexiteers he is all about Brexit. I think a general election is a case of when and not if not, one is happening for sure. Even if Johnson wins over enough Labour leave voters and hoovers up the Brexit vote I am not sure that will be enough.

I have seen many Tory MP's and ministers interviewed on College Green across from Parliament by Sky News this afternoon. All said it's got nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit but to precede a new session of Parliament. Would they all lie?

So you don't think they're just repeating the message given to them by unelected bureaucrat Dominic Cummings? I'm sure they will find your naivete most touching.

I have seen many Tory MP's and ministers interviewed on College Green across from Parliament by Sky News this afternoon. All said it's got nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit but to precede a new session of Parliament. Would they all lie?

 

I can't believe I missed this :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

Chris I like to see other view points, but if you believe this then sorry but you've well and truly had the wool pulled over your eyes :lol: You'll be telling me Elvis is not dead next.

I've moved on from arguing why I want the UK to leave the EU. It's finally happening and British democracy is being restored.

 

Don't be surprised when the Irish republic starts having the same conversation about why your country should also leave the EU.

 

Lmao

 

Yeah sure we will leave to join our bully Britain who pillaged, starved, literally genocided and demonized our people for centuries with a smile on their face while telling their citizens we were troublemakers, and leave the EU that has helped us become wealthy and independent. That seems super likely!

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People going on about Britain being great without the EU are literally making us look like the worst nation in Europe.

The colonial Brexshitters are demanding Ireland leaves because the English told them to!

Ruth Davidson is resigning as leader of the Scottish Tories.

This has made me happy to read. Good riddance to the c**t. She won’t be missed

People going on about Britain being great without the EU are literally making us look like the worst nation in Europe.

It’s fast becoming apparent that we are and probably always have been

It’s fast becoming apparent that we are and probably always have been

 

But that hypocrisy, banging on about how great we are! It just makes us look so terrible and I like to keep faith that at least we’re not all like that but we’ll forever be judged by how awful our worst people are. Some examples of those people have been pointing themselves out throughout this thread.

But that hypocrisy, banging on about how great we are! It just makes us look so terrible and I like to keep faith that at least we’re not all like that but we’ll forever be judged by how awful our worst people are. Some examples of those people have been pointing themselves out throughout this thread.

 

A big problem with the left/centre of the UK (well, maybe more specifically England) is that the nationalism/patriosism side is fully associated with the right-wing. I mean I suppose a lot of it comes back to the 80s with the National Front, but the reaction to Brexit is "oh we're all f***ed, let's get an Irish passport' rather than embracing nationalism and saying yes I am british, but I am also European. Weird, as I'm sure if you look across the rest of Europe (and certain quarters of the British Isles...) nationalism is claimed by both the right/left.

 

If people are proud to come from Yorkshire for example is that associated with the right-wing? Nope. If anything I'd say it's left that push that ground. Strange one. Weird that the a lot of the left seem to distance themselves where they are from in the UK. Not having this as a dig or anything to anyone- just pointing it out as I think this is part of the reason why the far-right idelogy has grown and seemingly blinded lots of general people.

A big problem with the left/centre of the UK (well, maybe more specifically England) is that the nationalism/patriosism side is fully associated with the right-wing. I mean I suppose a lot of it comes back to the 80s with the National Front, but the reaction to Brexit is "oh we're all f***ed, let's get an Irish passport' rather than embracing nationalism and saying yes I am british, but I am also European. Weird, as I'm sure if you look across the rest of Europe (and certain quarters of the British Isles...) nationalism is claimed by both the right/left.

 

If people are proud to come from Yorkshire for example is that associated with the right-wing? Nope. If anything I'd say it's left that push that ground. Strange one. Weird that the a lot of the left seem to distance themselves where they are from in the UK. Not having this as a dig or anything to anyone- just pointing it out as I think this is part of the reason why the far-right idelogy has grown and seemingly blinded lots of general people.

That illustrates why this British / English / European thing is such a nonsense. Yes, many people from Yorkshire declare themselves to be Yorkshiremen (or women), but that doesn't stop them also being English and British. Why, then, do so many people insist that they are British but not European? A simple look at the map should tell them otherwise.

The UK doesn't need an empire to make a positive difference to the world, France and Germany are still living in the 20th century, they need to move into the 21st century and realise empires don't work anymore.

 

Did you ever actually read the 20th century history between France & Germaby??

Tbh I’m in shock that this is what this country has come to. We’re getting into Charles I territory in 2019 :mellow:

 

:lol: I did ask the question a year ago if this could lead to a civil war!

A big problem with the left/centre of the UK (well, maybe more specifically England) is that the nationalism/patriosism side is fully associated with the right-wing. I mean I suppose a lot of it comes back to the 80s with the National Front, but the reaction to Brexit is "oh we're all f***ed, let's get an Irish passport' rather than embracing nationalism and saying yes I am british, but I am also European. Weird, as I'm sure if you look across the rest of Europe (and certain quarters of the British Isles...) nationalism is claimed by both the right/left.

 

If people are proud to come from Yorkshire for example is that associated with the right-wing? Nope. If anything I'd say it's left that push that ground. Strange one. Weird that the a lot of the left seem to distance themselves where they are from in the UK. Not having this as a dig or anything to anyone- just pointing it out as I think this is part of the reason why the far-right idelogy has grown and seemingly blinded lots of general people.

 

It's because of the British history of colonialism which has always been claimed by the right since the 19th century and this in turn is the same people/parties that wanted to secure the union as the closest home empire eg opposition to Irish self government and in turn the same people who were anti-immigrant in the post Second World War period.

 

It's the same in NI politics - unionism and unionist areas are most sympathetic to Brexit and voices of the right of the tories or Britain First views.

 

Even in NI make up unionist areas are bed decked with union flags on lamp posts for much of the summer months around the 12th July and most new comers to the country mainly want to live in traditionally nationalist or 'mixed' areas as they are generally more welcoming due to the historic discrimination in these areas. Same with other Celtic nationalisms in Scotland and Wales.

 

 

No. Just this whole brexshit debacle has been far from democratic and the uk system, and us for that matter, is designed to protect and return governments for the rich landed gentry?

 

Democracy did not begin and end with one advisory referendum on one day. We have a right wing coup going on.

 

Not that our system with a right eing media constantly brainwashing people is democratic anyway.

 

It's statements like these that leave you with little credibility here.