I think this works just fine as it helps new songs on the rise to the top and if the ACR tracks still are being streamed enough they remain in the top 20/40!

Well, extreme example I know, but I just think it's a bit silly that the song at #1 today isn't even in the top 10 best 'selling' songs of the week. :P

Well true but the Amazon share has def increased in the past 12 months - I personally thinks it's due to Amazon Prime offering premier league football recently and this in turn has effected the people streaming.

This defeats the point of ACR - it's to move old songs along and represent what is currently rising and trending in the UK much better. In December, it's the Christmas songs that are rising and trending, in spite of being old, and ACR is actually hindering them from performing as well as they should be. This is what makes them different to stuff like Dance Monkey being kicked off #1 with ACR (though it would have fallen anyway), because it had peaked, it was on its way down anyway, and it was time to give some new music the limelight. The OCC The 3 year rule is a failure for the Christmas songs anyway as they still swamp the top 40, that's where the issue lies.

 

I like that ACR doesn't boot stuff out entirely, it's silly to exclude a song that's still popular just because it's old, but it just shoves it lower down to allow for greater exposure for new music. It's a great system without the 3 year rule!

 

 

If a song can't get to the top of the chart on it's own, it doesn't deserve to be at the top of the chart. Rising to the TOP 10 or even #1 just because the songs ahead got put on ACR is simply LAME and undeserving.. Also, songs that get killed by ACR are still relatively new. 2 or 3 months is nothing.

 

Representing what is rising and trending isn't the point of the chart. A song doesn't deserve to be #1 just because it's rising and trending, the most bought and streamed song deserves to be #1. If that song is 40 years old, so be it. If that song is already declining, so be it.

 

Dance Monkey would have fallen from #1 eventually, I agree. But, why not let it fall from #1 and out of the TOP 10 and TOP 20 organically?

 

ACR really turned the UK charts into a joke. Billboard at least removes the recurrents completely and recurrency is actually considered a badge of honor.

Seen someone ask a good question on twitter... how many number ones have we had this decade that weren’t available on Spotify when released?

 

Maybe a couple of the charity ones..? But even they usually are available to stream

I think the last one was Band Aid 30 in 2014, which wasn't released on Spotify until early 2015.

 

The last one before that may have been Secondcity's 'I Wanna Feel' in June 2014 (a month before streaming started counting to the charts), as I recall there was a dispute between Ministry Of Sound and Spotify (something to do with MOS thinking people making Spotify playlists of their compilation tracklists were infringing copyright?) and I don't think it had been resolved yet. 'I Wanna Feel' wasn't in the streaming top 100 that week, and it didn't make the Spotify top 50 at the time (there wasn't a top 200 until October 2014, after which it made #146 on Spotify). This also affected DJ Fresh's 'Make U Bounce' which came out the first week streaming was added, but went from #7 on sales to #10 officially because it had no streaming (how quaint).

 

I think 'Tsunami (Jump)' (earlier in 2014) also wasn't on Spotify at the time. From 2013, 'Look Right Through' and 'Need U (100%)' were both on MOS and don't appear in the streaming top 100 when they were #1, so probably them too.

 

I wonder what was the last #1 that wasn't available on iTunes at the time. Perhaps Katie Melua & Eva Cassidy's 'What A Wonderful World' in 2007?

Instead, Eva Cassidy and Katie Melua’s What A Wonderful World takes pole position on first week sales of 56,114.

 

What A Wonderful World is a charity single benefiting The British Red Cross, and is the first ever number one to be available via only one retailer – specifically the Tesco supermarket chain, which has exclusive rights to both the physical and download version of the song.

 

Cassidy is the 13th artist to achieve a posthumous number one, thanks to the newly-created duet version of What A Wonderful World, on which she is paired with Katie Melua. Originally a number one hit for Louis Armstrong in 1968, it is the 33rd song to top the chart in more than one version.

Edited December 28, 20196 yr by Rush

If a song can't get to the top of the chart on it's own, it doesn't deserve to be at the top of the chart. Rising to the TOP 10 or even #1 just because the songs ahead got put on ACR is simply LAME and undeserving.. Also, songs that get killed by ACR are still relatively new. 2 or 3 months is nothing.

 

Representing what is rising and trending isn't the point of the chart. A song doesn't deserve to be #1 just because it's rising and trending, the most bought and streamed song deserves to be #1. If that song is 40 years old, so be it. If that song is already declining, so be it.

 

Dance Monkey would have fallen from #1 eventually, I agree. But, why not let it fall from #1 and out of the TOP 10 and TOP 20 organically?

 

ACR really turned the UK charts into a joke. Billboard at least removes the recurrents completely and recurrency is actually considered a badge of honor.

 

In an ideal world this would do but this lead to there being 6 No1s every year which was terrible and far too slow.

 

MOS didn't license their tracks to Spotify until literally the week they started counting streaming in the official chart iirc. ^ (or maybe a few weeks afterwards)

Was a bit annoying for me as it meant I had to still download their songs whilst having a Spotify subscription.

Wait wait wait. So they did apply for SCR and the corrupt OCC turned them down because it's Mariah and they hate her? Unbelieeevably corrupt! It's time to just ignore their charts and run our parallel ones. Mariah has been at no.1 what 10 weeks in total in its chart history? That id a fact. f*** the corrupt occ.

Looks like OCC wants Wham or Pogues to get the retro Xmas #1 first and the English Ellie to have a big chart comeback now with her third #1

Edited December 28, 20196 yr by myxxd

This is absolutely ridiculous. Mariah has been cheated out of the #1 on two definite occasions, not to mention the many more weeks of this arbitrary “ACR” rule didn’t exist. Ellie is not #1. There is some f***ery going on here

 

I couldn't be happier that the stunning Ellie is #1. :wub: :yahoo: :cheer:

sales have not published yet this week?

If Mariah did 74k, I think that would have been at least 140k if on SCR

If Mariah did 74k, I think that would have been at least 140k if on SCR

144k on SCR

I couldn't be happier that the stunning Ellie is #1. :wub: :yahoo: :cheer:

 

 

Same with me. It's a lovely song and hope the younger ones here have checked out Joni Mitchell's 1971 original.

Ellie did 78K meaning 1.1 million streams per day on Amazon on average, which seems like a lot

considering Mariah did 54K total on Spotify alone for comparison

Would be good to know how many times River got skipped (and also number of unsuccessful attempts to skip in time that counted as a stream)

same for Mariah, Alexa was favouring it too and a hell of a lot too

 

as I said before, the real loser here with all the Alexa situation is Stormzy not Mariah,

 

looking at Spotify, Apple, iTunes, Stormzy would have been #1 not Mariah

I agree it's too much to say Ellie got to no1 because of Amazon playlists when Mariah is heavily favoured in so many other areas.

Poor Katy Perry couldn't even crack top 20 when she was an Amazon exclusive last year. :(

Someone mentioned regarding sales as far as I can see MW have not published them online, which seems pretty odd since they have uploaded the latest charts.

 

I can't see the point of opening the thread topic until we get the sales from MW, for the sake of repetitiveness, no one wants to read a 8 page thread when sales have not been posted, some of the comments have already been said in here and in the The Mysterious 'Jukebox Heaven" thread topic by Jay.

 

Topic here

 

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=229278

 

Yes it does seem odd the sales have not dropped yet, probably its been put on hold for some reason, there could be a discrepancy, or they have not been written due to staff holidays or someone forgot to flip a switch at the other end to make it active.

 

I'm leaning towards the latter, just needs someone to flip a switch :drama: I'm afraid patience is what is required. They will be posted ASAP once they are online.

 

I bet someone will read this, and goes and flips a switch <_<

What I didn't get was Ellie being Number 1 when she is only Number 10 on the Audio Streaming chart. Or does that chart not have ACR applied to it?