FANTASTIC KELLY HAS REPEAKED SHAME WOULD HAVE BEEN TOP 20 WITHOUT CHART MANIPULATION

This is absolutely ridiculous. Mariah has been cheated out of the #1 on two definite occasions, not to mention the many more weeks of this arbitrary “ACR” rule didn’t exist. Ellie is not #1. There is some f***ery going on here

You lot wanted streaming and all the nonsense that comes with it, such as, ratios, ACR and SCR. A sale is a sale.

Streaming is necessary in the chart as that is how most people consume music now. I love ACR, I think it works a treat. I don't love how every song older than 3 years is automatically on permanent ACR for no real reason. This is not a problem caused by streaming itself, it's a problem caused by the OCC arbitrarily limiting older songs (and what good is it doing? Ellie got a fake #1 rather than what would have been a widely publicised #1 for Mariah after 25 years, Billboard got so much love for the same thing this year).

This is absolutely ridiculous. Mariah has been cheated out of the #1 on two definite occasions, not to mention the many more weeks of this arbitrary “ACR” rule didn’t exist. Ellie is not #1. There is some f***ery going on here

 

THIS!!

You want a chart based entirely on a medium that increasingly no one uses, pipe down x

 

Nope, I couldn't care less. Pipe down.

 

You clearly could if you're wasting your time arguing in here x

You clearly could if you're wasting your time arguing in here x

 

Nope, I'm happy Ellie is number 1.

 

Isn't it all meaningless and Harry Potter to you though? Make your mind up. x

Isn't it all meaningless and Harry Potter to you though? Make your mind up. x

 

Well, if you can't beat them, join them

 

For the record, the top 40 without Christmas songs:

 

1 OWN IT STORMZY/ED SHEERAN/BURNA BOY

2 BEFORE YOU GO LEWIS CAPALDI

3 DON'T START NOW DUA LIPA

4 ROXANNE ARIZONA ZERVAS

5 DANCE MONKEY TONES & I

6 EVERYTHING I WANTED BILLIE EILISH

7 ADORE YOU HARRY STYLES

8 PUMP IT UP ENDOR

9 AUDACITY STORMZY FT HEADIE ONE

10 VOSSI BOP STORMZY

 

11 BLINDING LIGHTS WEEKND

12 LOSE YOU TO LOVE ME SELENA GOMEZ

13 THIS IS REAL JAX JONES FT ELLA HENDERSON

14 FALLING TREVOR DANIEL

15 LIGHTS UP HARRY STYLES

16 MY OH MY CAMILA CABELLO FT DABABY

17 WATERMELON SUGAR HARRY STYLES

18 I LOVE SAUSAGE ROLLS LADBABY

19 SOMEONE YOU LOVED LEWIS CAPALDI

20 DON'T RUSH YOUNG T & BUGSEY FT HEADIE ONE

 

21 MEMORIES MAROON 5

22 INTO THE UNKNOWN IDINA MENZEL & AURORA

23 LUCID DREAMS JUICE WRLD

24 HEARTLESS WEEKND

25 NETFLIX & CHILL FREDO

26 RIDE IT REGARD

27 BRUISES LEWIS CAPALDI

28 BETTER HALF OF ME TOM WALKER

29 LOSE CONTROL MEDUZA/BECKY HILL/GOODBOYS

30 DOWN LIKE THAT KSI/RICK ROSS/LIL BABY/S-X

 

31 BAD GUY BILLIE EILISH

32 SOUTH OF THE BORDER ED SHEERAN/CABELLO/CARDI B

33 MUST BE J HUS

34 RANSOM LIL TECCA

35 GANGSTA DARKOO & ONE ACEN

36 HOT GIRL BUMMER BLACKBEAR

37 NO IDEA DON TOLIVER

38 CIRCLES POST MALONE

39 WE GOT LOVE SIGALA FT ELLA HENDERSON

 

And I'd take a guess at #40 being New Dior by DigDat, though a song on ACR could fall between the few hundred sales separating Sigala and DigDat.

Apologies for quoting the whole top 40 but the top 10, at least, is how I see the charts being next Friday. Though there's one thing I can never work out - 'Dance Monkey' being the best example here. Does a track have to increase its sales by +25% or more compared to the streaming market to move from ACR back to SCR that week or does it take effect from the following week? I've always thought it is the latter but as the OCC make up the rules as they go along at times I'm never quite sure...

Edited December 27, 20196 yr by Robbie

Apologies for quoting the whole top 40 but the top 10, at least, is how I see the charts being next Friday. Though there's one thing I can never work out - 'Dance Monkey' being the best example here. Does a track have to increase its sales by +25% or more compared to the streaming market to move from ACR that week or does it take effect from the following week? I've always thought it is the latter but as the OCC make up the rules as they go along at times I'm never quite sure...

It’s the following week. The week it increases by 25% stays on ACR and the week after is on SCR, so if Dance Monkey gets a 25% increase this week it will still be on ACR for the 3rd Jan chart show and reset for the 10th Jan show.

Streaming is necessary in the chart as that is how most people consume music now. I love ACR, I think it works a treat. I don't love how every song older than 3 years is automatically on permanent ACR for no real reason. This is not a problem caused by streaming itself, it's a problem caused by the OCC arbitrarily limiting older songs (and what good is it doing? Ellie got a fake #1 rather than what would have been a widely publicised #1 for Mariah after 25 years, Billboard got so much love for the same thing this year).

 

I'm not sure why people have an issue with old songs being on ACR. In the good old days 3 year old cd singles wouldn't have been stocked so were essentially put on ACR.

 

I personally don't think the rules for charting and sales go far enough. Streaming sales for old singles should be hugely weighted down I'd say after a single hits 52 weeks its ratio should go to 10 to 1 as in 10 times what a regular track needs to gain 1 streaming sale. This would also go for it's overall sales total too. Shape of you will be the biggest selling single ever soon, many forgettable songs are on over 1m sales, it's a huge mess.

 

It’s the following week. The week it increases by 25% stays on ACR and the week after is on SCR, so if Dance Monkey gets a 25% increase this week it will still be on ACR for the 3rd Jan chart show and reset for the 10th Jan show.

Cheers coi, I thought that was how it worked (and how the chart rules are worded) but I wasn't too sure.

 

I'm not sure why people have an issue with old songs being on ACR. In the good old days 3 year old cd singles wouldn't have been stocked so were essentially put on ACR.

 

I personally don't think the rules for charting and sales go far enough. Streaming sales for old singles should be hugely weighted down I'd say after a single hits 52 weeks its ratio should go to 10 to 1 as in 10 times what a regular track needs to gain 1 streaming sale. This would also go for it's overall sales total too. Shape of you will be the biggest selling single ever soon, many forgettable songs are on over 1m sales, it's a huge mess.

This is not the old days though, everything is readily available, and Mariah's essentially had the same treatment as a song being re-issued on CD / vinyl back in the day, yet her streams are still halved and a request to be moved onto SCR was denied by the OCC despite her giving the song more promotion than just about every "current" song has had this week??

I lost a lot of interest in the UK charts once the ACR rule was added. I understand that something had to be done about old songs clogging up the chart forever, but when a song at #1 loses it's position because it becomes ACR eligible .... that is nonsense. If a song is losing ground, but it's still the most popular song in the country, it should not be put on the ACR and removed from #1 just because it's losing ground. ACR should only affect songs that are already out of the TOP 40 (or at least TOP 20) and more than 26 weeks (half a year) old.

 

Holiday songs shouldn't go on ACR - ever. Those songs are seasonal, they re-appear every year, they are actually very popular during the holiday season.

 

Billboard recurrency rules are far superior to OCC's ACR rule.

Billboard recurrency rules are far superior to OCC's ACR rule.

Now this I agree with.

Billboard actually boot songs from the chart entirely once they've done in the top half, yet we get stuck with the long runners being 20-30 places below where they'd otherwise be but still lingering on.

I lost a lot of interest in the UK charts once the ACR rule was added. I understand that something had to be done about old songs clogging up the chart forever, but when a song at #1 loses it's position because it becomes ACR eligible .... that is nonsense. If a song is losing ground, but it's still the most popular song in the country, it should not be put on the ACR and removed from #1 just because it's losing ground. ACR should only affect songs that are already out of the TOP 40 (or at least TOP 20) and more than 26 weeks (half a year) old.

 

Holiday songs shouldn't go on ACR - ever. Those songs are seasonal, they re-appear every year, they are actually very popular during the holiday season.

 

Billboard recurrency rules are far superior to OCC's ACR rule.

This defeats the point of ACR - it's to move old songs along and represent what is currently rising and trending in the UK much better. In December, it's the Christmas songs that are rising and trending, in spite of being old, and ACR is actually hindering them from performing as well as they should be. This is what makes them different to stuff like Dance Monkey being kicked off #1 with ACR (though it would have fallen anyway), because it had peaked, it was on its way down anyway, and it was time to give some new music the limelight. The OCC The 3 year rule is a failure for the Christmas songs anyway as they still swamp the top 40, that's where the issue lies.

 

I like that ACR doesn't boot stuff out entirely, it's silly to exclude a song that's still popular just because it's old, but it just shoves it lower down to allow for greater exposure for new music. It's a great system without the 3 year rule!

I'm not sure why people have an issue with old songs being on ACR. In the good old days 3 year old cd singles wouldn't have been stocked so were essentially put on ACR.

 

I personally don't think the rules for charting and sales go far enough. Streaming sales for old singles should be hugely weighted down I'd say after a single hits 52 weeks its ratio should go to 10 to 1 as in 10 times what a regular track needs to gain 1 streaming sale. This would also go for it's overall sales total too. Shape of you will be the biggest selling single ever soon, many forgettable songs are on over 1m sales, it's a huge mess.

 

Agree totally there has to be a measuring down of the total after a time or all huge hits will eventually be on 5m combined sales. Older huge hits will be minor hits eventually.

Agree totally there has to be a measuring down of the total after a time or all huge hits will eventually be on 5m combined sales. Older huge hits will be minor hits eventually.

Except older hits are capable of racking up streams too. It's also worth noting that the free-to-premium ratio splitting has majorly reduced how many songs hit 1m combined sales, it's a lot more reasonable now.

Now this I agree with.

Billboard actually boot songs from the chart entirely once they've done in the top half, yet we get stuck with the long runners being 20-30 places below where they'd otherwise be but still lingering on.

 

I think this works just fine as it helps new songs on the rise to the top and if the ACR tracks still are being streamed enough they remain in the top 20/40!