I told you not to get your hopes up about significant changes but then you told me that Boris said there would be. Is it possible that our lying prime minister was lying? Or, at the very least, didn’t know what he was talking about? It’s the news today that they’re reviewing the lock down today which means Boris was definitely talking out of his arse yesterday.

 

You do know that I agree with you.

 

I wasn’t personally getting my hopes up given what Sturgeon has been saying the whole time. My main point has been highlighting what has been said by people and how it contradicts what has been said by others. I have said all along that the government communication strategy has been awful.

 

The next awful communication strategy is likely to be extended for 3 weeks on Sunday to the 31st May then they will say nothing on that day and review it sometime in early June but keep everyone guessing as to when.

 

The most exhausting part of this process is the constant speculation when every review date approaches he needs to release a clear plan with proposed dates on Sunday like European countries have had to stop the constant speculation and lack of leadership and clarity.

Edited May 7, 20205 yr by Alex P

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Absolutely nothing to worry about.

I really don’t understand what the UK Gov is playing at. No other European country has a curve that looks like this. Serious questions need to be asked as to why cases have Plateaued but are not falling and how in spite of a lock down there is no fall in cases. You could pick any country in Europe basically and see that same bell curve shape, except for the UK

 

 

Interesting that the countries with the least control over the outbreak - UK (England), US, Brazil, Poland - have all got right wing populists in charge. It’s almost as if populism is a useless and ineffective form of government

The curves are a different shape as we don’t have a strict lockdown and people are becoming more relaxed. When you seen the images on the tv of Italy not being able to treat patients and the hospitals being overwhelmed yet that hasn’t happened in the UK and nurses are constantly on Tik Tok then it starts to relax the public and think there is not much of a risk so they will take risks themselves.

 

This is not my opinion that nurses aren’t busy but the media has covered this opinion.

 

You also have key workers clapping in mass gatherings on Westminster Bridge which again goes against the message. Furthermore, the Scottish CMO didn’t follow the rules neither did the guy who resigned this week. All of this is a toxic mix for the public to believe the risks aren’t as great as they may be due to government and key workers not following their own message.

 

I think we are aware the government secretly want herd immunity behind the scenes but lockdown on the surface to appease.

 

We have actually done way more tests than France also >300k so perhaps we are identifying more people at a later stage when there are likely to have been more infected two months ago but we just couldn’t test them.

The Netherlands didn't have a strict lockdown and we seem to be doing pretty well and we're even more densely populated than the UK is

 

The fact that nurses are not busy because they are on tiktok while on their break and the media isn't showing their hard work seems a lil' disrespectful to the hard work they truly are doing.

The hospitals may not be under immense stress but that doesnt mean the nurses don't work their ass off to save as many people as they can. It just means they can focus on less patients per nurse. ICU nurses have one of the hardest jobs in the country right now, both mentally and physically

God forbid that the hardest working people in the country rn get a break and have a bit of a laugh for 10 minutes :lol: They do 12 hour shifts and probably barely get a break so I expect it helps break the day up if they can do something fun for a few minutes to wind down or let the stress out. To try and blame them for doing that as if that makes the pandemic worse is one of the most disgusting things I've seen in the media recently personally

The Netherlands didn't have a strict lockdown and we seem to be doing pretty well and we're even more densely populated than the UK is

 

The fact that nurses are not busy because they are on tiktok while on their break and the media isn't showing their hard work seems a lil' disrespectful to the hard work they truly are doing.

The hospitals may not be under immense stress but that doesnt mean the nurses don't work their ass off to save as many people as they can. It just means they can focus on less patients per nurse. ICU nurses have one of the hardest jobs in the country right now, both mentally and physically

 

I don’t disagree with you on the nurses hence I said it wasn’t my opinion but when the media are running stories such as hospitals empty and dancing nurses on tik tok then it sends a message to the public the risks aren’t as extreme as are being made out.

 

I think as you do not live in the UK you do not really understand the mentality of how a lot of people behave in this country they listen to the media more than the government.

I don’t disagree with you on the nurses hence I said it wasn’t my opinion but when the media are running stories such as hospitals empty and dancing nurses on tik tok then it sends a message to the public the risks aren’t as extreme as are being made out.

 

I think as you do not live in the UK you do not really understand the mentality of how a lot of people behave in this country they listen to the media more than the government.

He's only been out of the UK for a few months so has a pretty good idea of the British mentality, insofar as it actually exists.

He's only been out of the UK for a few months so has a pretty good idea of the British mentality, insofar as it actually exists.

I think you're confusing me with someone else, I have never lived in the UK :kink:

 

But I don't think you need to live in the UK to see the mentality towards the government.

It's been a mess and a half because the government is a damn mess.

 

Around here the GP also listens to the media quite a bit but at least around here they are reporting facts and don't downplay serious issues

I think you're confusing me with someone else, I have never lived in the UK :kink:

 

But I don't think you need to live in the UK to see the mentality towards the government.

It's been a mess and a half because the government is a damn mess.

 

Around here the GP also listens to the media quite a bit but at least around here they are reporting facts and don't downplay serious issues

 

Rather than going round in circles like we always do it seems we agree the government are a mess so I guess that’s progress.

I have just watched Matt Hancock stating that Italy and Spain do not include deaths outside hospitals in their figures. I wasn’t aware of this previously, is there any reason there has been no pressure in Italy and Spain to release these figures and is there data available to show how many deaths there have been outside of hospital since March to see the differences between them and the UK on real figures.

Both the government and the media have a big hand in the GPs reaction.

 

The Government has spoiled the GPs trust a long time ago and trust can be squandered in a day but takes years to build back up

The media is continuously goign out of their way to not be objective. The fact that certain newsoutlets are referred to as being on one side of the political spectrum is a big problem

 

I have just watched Matt Hancock stating that Italy and Spain do not include deaths outside hospitals in their figures. I wasn’t aware of this previously, is there any reason there has been no pressure in Italy and Spain to release these figures and is there data available to show how many deaths there have been outside of hospital since March to see the differences between them and the UK on real figures.

Both Italy and Spain have been backlogging deaths from outside hospitals. I'm not sure about the the UK but I remember reading about retirement homes not being counted. Correct me if im wrong tho

Yeah I think the figures in the UK are underreported as well as those other countries. There's been a sharp increase in nursing home deaths when compared to last year and they aren't reflected in the overall stats.

I think as you do not live in the UK you do not really understand the mentality of how a lot of people behave in this country they listen to the media more than the government.

 

Wow.

The problem is that let's be honest, the government are incompetent and didn't go far enough. We should have done something like Spain, Italy, yes it would've been difficult obvs but look at their curves!! But we had a very watered down, unclear version of lockdown and look at the results, deaths are flatlining.

 

I have no doubt as well that the government waited until combined daily deaths would be under 1000 to include non-hospital deaths. 1000 is a mental barrier in peoples heads and the government knew the perception of them would be worse if the official daily tally exceeded that.

 

I can't even find the words lol, I'm so angry with our corrupt British nationalist right wing media :') This country is broken.

 

I was not following the news in the UK as much pre-lockdown as I wasn't in the country. But I was more concerned talking about political point scoring in the aftermath of the lockdown, of which there are definitely a few examples where there could have been a consistent approach to comms/ announcements. Of course no decisions are being made to put people at direct risk, that would be stupid. But unless I am completely stupid, there must be some form of alignment for centralised issues between all of the United Kingdom and there are clear examples where there is an alignment briefing in the background but Scotland have done something different.

 

Rightly or wrongly like I said, but it's clear examples of political point scoring.

Just because Boris is incompetent doesn't mean everyone else has to be

Edited May 7, 20205 yr by Andrew.

Wow.

 

Care to comment further as your post didn’t really add anything to the discussion?

Both the government and the media have a big hand in the GPs reaction.

 

The Government has spoiled the GPs trust a long time ago and trust can be squandered in a day but takes years to build back up

The media is continuously goign out of their way to not be objective. The fact that certain newsoutlets are referred to as being on one side of the political spectrum is a big problem

Both Italy and Spain have been backlogging deaths from outside hospitals. I'm not sure about the the UK but I remember reading about retirement homes not being counted. Correct me if im wrong tho

 

I’m not sure about retirement homes don’t really know the sector and had assumed they were the same as care homes which are being counted as far as I am aware.

Care to comment further as your post didn’t really add anything to the discussion?

 

It is actually easier to see from outside the one party state bubble that the media and government are in a loving relationshio. This just creates mass brainwashing and an eternal landed gentŕy government. Sorry. Maybe you should go travelling once this is all done to broaden your mind and undo the years of Tory media pollution?

Hmmm even when they do "loosen" restrictions (whatever the f*** that's even meant to mean) I don't think anything will really change as those who have already been flaunting the rules regularly beforehand will continue to do so and those that haven't will exercise their own caution and judgment and remain inside/carry on as they previously were.

 

It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the Gov forces ppl to return to work but a large number don't want to out of fear for their own health and safety. We can be sure whatever they decide though, ppl will complain.

Care to comment further as your post didn’t really add anything to the discussion?

 

I just had to stop for a moment and realise how unbelievably rude you are. Especially for a new member.