Boris says the £22 million is fair as it's in line with the NE and Lancashire.

Another lie. Lancashire got £42m for 1.5m people. Greater Manchester has 2.8m people.

Let's be honest, that press conference was a message for all councils and local governments to get in line when the majority of the North & Midlands + London is imposed in Tier 3 restrictions over the next few weeks. Meanwhile, Belinda in Cornwall can serve her creamcakes :D

Imagine defending Boris Johnson....ever but especially now

 

I'm at a loss for words as to what's happening regarding Manchester. A lot of people will lose their jobs and struggle this Winter. It's incredibly sad and bleak, Andy did all he could to get a fair deal and to know be so petty because he didn't initially agree to offer less than half of the proposed deal is disgusting. Everyone who voted Tory should be deeply ashamed.

Let's be honest, that press conference was a message for all councils and local governments to get in line when the majority of the North & Midlands + London is imposed in Tier 3 restrictions over the next few weeks. Meanwhile, Belinda in Cornwall can serve her creamcakes :D

 

 

I'd rather have a Cornish pasty I think. :D

I was pissed off with Drakeford yesterday but I’m so glad Johnson is not in charge in Wales. He’s an absolute bully.

All seems to have broken down over £15m. The BBC saying Boris offered £50m and Burnham rejected it. He's expecting a Tier 3 being enforced from 10pm Fri and he'll only get 20m now. Cut off his nose to spite his face hasn't he then? Should have take the 50 million. Just been speaking outside Manchester Town Hall and said it's awful that the furlough changes soon. Should have stayed in place.

You have managed to quote the wrong figures for the entire day. Well done for managing to be so wrong on the basic facts as well as having a take as welcome as a cup of cold vomit.

 

 

It’s a 5m gap. Gov offered 60m, GM said minimum needed was 65m and gov walked away. GM actually wanted 90m so they could do a mini furlough for the region. They moved a hell of a lot and the gov us now giving 22m out of pure spite.

 

 

Honestly imagine siding with the government on this one.

You have managed to quote the wrong figures for the entire day. Well done for managing to be so wrong on the basic facts as well as having a take as welcome as a cup of cold vomit.

It’s a 5m gap. Gov offered 60m, GM said minimum needed was 65m and gov walked away. GM actually wanted 90m so they could do a mini furlough for the region. They moved a hell of a lot and the gov us now giving 22m out of pure spite.

Honestly imagine siding with the government on this one.

 

Agreed. People’s lives and livelihoods should not be used as pawns in a game. The tories are showing who they’ve always been and anyone who still supports them at this point is either supremely unintelligent or a selfish arse.

To think we could have had Prime Minister Burnham in 2020. *sigh*.

Tory supporters from Manchester rn: 👁 👄 👁

You have managed to quote the wrong figures for the entire day. Well done for managing to be so wrong on the basic facts as well as having a take as welcome as a cup of cold vomit.

It’s a 5m gap. Gov offered 60m, GM said minimum needed was 65m and gov walked away. GM actually wanted 90m so they could do a mini furlough for the region. They moved a hell of a lot and the gov us now giving 22m out of pure spite.

Honestly imagine siding with the government on this one.

 

 

Where have I said I sided with the Government? Why should GM have 90m though when Liverpool didn't get anywhere near that amount? Don't you think the 60m Govt. offer was fair?

Yes I agree the government should have offered more money and done a deal with Burnham. I worry though that some people in the area are going to mistake Burnham for being anti-restrictions and use that to justify breaking the rules of the restrictions, one of the journalists in the conference session today also said that a few local leaders in the North have expressed statements that have appeared to be genuinely anti-restriction too which doesn't help. The fact Boris went from 60 million to 22 million, and just the fact that the government was unable to come to a quick deal with the Manchester local leaders, will also encourage people not to follow the rules too as many won't see the restrictions as legitimate any more.

Edited October 20, 20204 yr by Вuzzjack H'ween

Where have I said I sided with the Government? Why should GM have 90m though when Liverpool didn't get anywhere near that amount? Don't you think the 60m Govt. offer was fair?

I imagine the variation in funding between Liverpool and Greater Manchester has something to do with the small inconvenient fact that DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LIVE IN GREATER MANCHESTER YA EEJIT.

 

So you going full barrels on Burnham isn’t you siding with the the Gov? Sure Jan

 

 

And for the record, no. GM should get the 90m it wanted. All regions should have the funding and powers to run localised furlough schemes to protect the low paid hospitality workers and others who’s livelihood is directly threatened by the restrictions. They shouldn’t need to choose between paying rent or feeding their kids because of government restrictions that put them out of work for no fault of their own.

 

This gov is cruel and barbaric and I hope to god their reign of incompetence ends as soon as possible.

And for the record, no. GM should get the 90m it wanted. All regions should have the funding and powers to run localised furlough schemes to protect the low paid hospitality workers and others who’s livelihood is directly threatened by the restrictions. They shouldn’t need to choose between paying rent or feeding their kids because of government restrictions that put them out of work for no fault of their own.

 

 

So who should decide how much this will cost then? Should we just give them a blank cheque? How did Burnham come up with the 90 million? What if, as has happened, the Government and local leaders disagree? Maybe there should be some sort of mediator.

'We'? 'Them'? :manson:

Chris, let me put this into context for your simple brain to comprehend...

 

Boris Johnson offered £60m to Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham wanted just £5m more to support businesses in GM through Tier 3. What did Boris do? Withdrew the offer and reduced it to £22m.

 

He's basically left the whole city to rot because their Mayor stood up and fought for them.

So what you had basically, as was said on the news last night, two grown men in very responsible positions, arguing over 5 million quid when thousands have died and billions spent because of Covid already. Both are in the wrong. Yes, Boris too. See I've said it now. I know Boris isn't perfect but 90 million was an obscene amount to demand. I think Boris should have agreed to 65 million. Anyway, what are we arguing over when they say the offer's still there?

 

I've also seen it suggested last night that Boris may have wanted to look like a tough negotiator to the EU and Macron. Show he's no walk-over.

Edited October 21, 20204 yr by Crazy Chris

You're acting like he 'demanded' it for himself.

 

It's public money! Coming from taxes PAID BY the people and businesses of Manchester!

'We'? 'Them'? :manson:

 

I meant the Government and the regions.

 

I'm sick to death of you having a go at me :angry: Every post I make you quote and criticise. Try entering the conversation yourself if you can and leave me alone. You are bullying me online and am not standing for it any longer. Surely the mods here must have noticed by now too.

So who should decide how much this will cost then? Should we just give them a blank cheque? How did Burnham come up with the 90 million? What if, as has happened, the Government and local leaders disagree? Maybe there should be some sort of mediator.

The selective quote as always is noted.

 

The 90m was costed by a treasury official. As has been quite widely reported on reputable news sites and stated multiple times by Burnham.

 

For someone who seems to just regurgitate press reports you don’t seem to read many of them

 

 

 

The government has spent 12bn on a failed test and trace system. If it can line Sercos pockets to that extent I think it can support businesses it’s forcing to close in GM with 90m

You're acting like he 'demanded' it for himself.

 

It's public money! Coming from taxes PAID BY the people and businesses of Manchester!

 

 

I know that. Am not stupid you know. Credit with me with some intelligence for God's sake.