I'm sorry if I'm being harsh here, but I hope either the uptake or the availability of a vaccine isn't hampered by this when in the grand scale of things, it's 22 cases out of 3 million vaccinations, which is 0.0007%. I don't want to have to wait even longer than I already am for a vaccine because of potential pausing.

Yeah they should probably recommend the Pfizer jab to people with a history of blood clots though just to be on the safe side.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56357760

 

Worrying. Anti-vaxxers will go into overdrive at the news of this.

The anti-vaxxers will be having a field day about this. I can name and shame some celebrities who are anti-vaxxers: Right Said Fred, Sean Ward who played Callum Logan in Coronation Street and London mayor candidate David Kurten to name a few. I think it’s scaremongering from European countries and it's to do with Brexit. I don't see UK suspending things like that

The anti-vaxxers will be having a field day about this. I can name and shame some celebrities who are anti-vaxxers: Right Said Fred, Sean Ward who played Callum Logan in Coronation Street and London mayor candidate David Kurten to name a few. I think it’s scaremongering from European countries and it's to do with Brexit. I don't see UK suspending things like that

 

I'm too sexy for my vaccine :basil:

 

Yeah, you're probably right of course but I still think if people have history or risk of blood clots they should probably be given the Pfizer jab if they want the vaccine in the meanwhile until more studies have been done on it, just to be on the safe side.

The anti-vaxxers will be having a field day about this. I can name and shame some celebrities who are anti-vaxxers: Right Said Fred, Sean Ward who played Callum Logan in Coronation Street and London mayor candidate David Kurten to name a few. I think it’s scaremongering from European countries and it's to do with Brexit. I don't see UK suspending things like that

 

I don't think it scaremongering but the rollout of the vaccine programme in multiple European countries has been terrible. The difference this time is I suspect it is right to possibly pause while they investigate if there is a link, but it looks to be a problem with the batch rather than the vaccine, if there is an issue. So surely you would just not use that batch and not pause the whole rollout. I think Austria have done the same as well. Safety comes first in everything but my gut tells me they're being over cautious due to some the negativity around the vaccine already.

I think it's important to note there's a difference between anti-vax and thinking the vaccination is a plot to install microchips in us to be tracked by Bill Gates, and those who are just cautious and anxious of this particular vaccine. The virus isn't something like rabies or a flesh eating disease where you're doomed once you catch it - millions recover with zero to mild symptoms. If someone would rather take their own chances with the virus than take the vaccine (where there's cases of deaths and bad reactions) then they should be entitled to do that without being labelled a conspiracy theorist nut job.

 

 

You are right of course shadow2009 on a human rights level.

 

There is this to remember though; the more people who aren't vaccinated the more chance there is of the virus mutating to render the vaccine weaker and less effective.

The virus isn't something like rabies or a flesh eating disease where you're doomed once you catch it - millions recover with zero to mild symptoms. If someone would rather take their own chances with the virus than take the vaccine (where there's cases of deaths and bad reactions) then they should be entitled to do that without being labelled a conspiracy theorist nut job.

 

No, this isn't like rabies or a flesh eating disease. It's a lot more transmissible and results in a lot more hospitalisations if left unchecked. Not to mention a lot more deaths due to the amount of people it can infect in such a short time. Adding to the fact it's highly infectious, it also mutates readily, making it worse overall than the likes of rabies or a flesh eating disease. We've seen a number of worrying mutations occur in Covid-19 so far, one of which increased transmissibility in the UK and resulted in a huge surge of cases and deaths.

 

Vaccination is the quickest way to controlling the virus and reducing risk of death. If someone doesn't want to take the vaccine that's fine, but people have every right to be annoyed/angry at that person. They are potentially putting more people at risk due to not becoming vaccinated and allowing themselves to become a virus replication center if they do get infected.

 

Brazil is particularly worrying right now. Record amounts of deaths/soaring cases - it's the perfect place for the virus to mutate into significant variants (as it has done so there already). Hopefully the vaccination campaign will ramp up massively worldwide in the coming months.

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I found out today that my mum has ‘deferred’ her vaccine offer last week. I expect my dad will do the same.

 

I’m off to the Doctors on Tuesday to confirm that I will be in the next vaccination group so hopefully not a long wait for me.

Really really concerning news about Ireland and the AstraZeneca jab. This likely fall in confidence in one of the vaccines is far more of a risk of spread of Covid and rise of new variants than any mass gathering would be.

 

The only good thing is the Pfizer jab hasn't been suspended for anything yet and hopefully it won't ever be.

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Really really concerning news about Ireland and the AstraZeneca jab. This likely fall in confidence in one of the vaccines is far more of a risk of spread of Covid and rise of new variants than any mass gathering would be.

 

The only good thing is the Pfizer jab hasn't been suspended for anything yet and hopefully it won't ever be.

 

AstraZeneca might as well just ship any stock to the UK and the world apart from Europe at this point. I think it is something political from certain Bloc member states, that's just my opinion, judging from the WHO comments. Hopefully the suspension is just temporary.

AstraZeneca might as well just ship any stock to the UK and the world apart from Europe at this point. I think it is something political from certain Bloc member states, that's just my opinion, judging from the WHO comments. Hopefully the suspension is just temporary.

 

But if they ship a vaccine that has been suspended in Europe to less developed countries in Asia and Africa, that could lead to a racism row.

But if they ship a vaccine that has been suspended in Europe to less developed countries in Asia and Africa, that could lead to a racism row.

 

But it has not even been suspended in Europe, the EU still recommends it and so does the WHO. Some member states have made this decision, I suspect it won't be too long before the pause is re-instated. I get the need for safety, but from everything that I have read there is safety and then there is ultra safety. I'd like to think the powers that be in the world are sharing safety data, at least I would hope the UK is sharing this information with the world as if there are any widespread safety concerns these would surely be picked up in the UK if it is the vaccine itself rather than a certain batch.

Some folks appear to be thinking that an over cautious approach will shore up public confidence in the vaccine but I’m not convinced and think it might actually be doing the opposite. We’re taking about 30 incidents from 5 million doses in the EU with the UK reporting none from 11 million doses.

 

We’re at a 1 in 500.000 incident rate in geographical Europe here. That’s just not high enough to Pause roll outs of a critical vaccine. Especially when causation has not been proven and given that blood clots are a thing that just happen the likelihood of this actually being caused by the jag is so low it’s microscopic

Some folks appear to be thinking that an over cautious approach will shore up public confidence in the vaccine but I’m not convinced and think it might actually be doing the opposite. We’re taking about 30 incidents from 5 million doses in the EU with the UK reporting none from 11 million doses.

 

We’re at a 1 in 500.000 incident rate in geographical Europe here. That’s just not high enough to Pause roll outs of a critical vaccine. Especially when causation has not been proven and given that blood clots are a thing that just happen the likelihood of this actually being caused by the jag is so low it’s microscopic

According to what I’ve read, the incidence of blood clotting in the vaccinated population is pretty much what would be expected. Some European governments really do seem to have taken caution to an extreme which, as you say, could actually have an effect diametrically opposed to the one intended.

We quite possibly read the same thing!! My Dad had a stroke a couple of years ago, had the AZ jag a couple of weeks ago and has been totally fine. So yes I know personal anecdotes don’t extrapolate but this jag is being issued to folk with history of clot issues and yet isn’t causing clots in them so in my non-scientist brain that means the jag isn’t the cause of the clots or we’d be seeing issues in people with history of clotting. Surely.

Some folks appear to be thinking that an over cautious approach will shore up public confidence in the vaccine but I’m not convinced and think it might actually be doing the opposite. We’re taking about 30 incidents from 5 million doses in the EU with the UK reporting none from 11 million doses.

 

We’re at a 1 in 500.000 incident rate in geographical Europe here. That’s just not high enough to Pause roll outs of a critical vaccine. Especially when causation has not been proven and given that blood clots are a thing that just happen the likelihood of this actually being caused by the jag is so low it’s microscopic

It's 100% a chain reaction. If one nation pauses, more will follow and others will look reckless if they continue in the eyes of the doubters. It's really a lose-lose situation

We quite possibly read the same thing!! My Dad had a stroke a couple of years ago, had the AZ jag a couple of weeks ago and has been totally fine. So yes I know personal anecdotes don’t extrapolate but this jag is being issued to folk with history of clot issues and yet isn’t causing clots in them so in my non-scientist brain that means the jag isn’t the cause of the clots or we’d be seeing issues in people with history of clotting. Surely.

 

While as you say a link between a very rare instance of blood clotting and the AstraZeneca jab looks more unlikely than likely, I can see why people who have had blood clotting issues would be worried now about getting the AstraZeneca jab. I do think that ideally they should be able to get the Pfizer one if they want although obviously it depends on what vaccine stocks are available.

Some folks appear to be thinking that an over cautious approach will shore up public confidence in the vaccine but I’m not convinced and think it might actually be doing the opposite. We’re taking about 30 incidents from 5 million doses in the EU with the UK reporting none from 11 million doses.

 

We’re at a 1 in 500.000 incident rate in geographical Europe here. That’s just not high enough to Pause roll outs of a critical vaccine. Especially when causation has not been proven and given that blood clots are a thing that just happen the likelihood of this actually being caused by the jag is so low it’s microscopic

 

Ahh I hadn't looked at it that way! You could be right. Italy, Germany, Spain and France have now suspended use of the AZ vaccine too. It's all a bit of a mess really and I can't see how suspending use of the vaccine is going to increase public confidence. The figures make no sense whatsoever, I could totally understand it if it was widespread but they seem to be going off the Norway data. I've seen some counter data to suggest the level is just as high in the Pfizer vaccine too.

 

Like I said before, I would hope the UK are being transparent with the safety data.. if they are seeing something we're not then they should release it now. It's all a bit of a mess, the rest of Europe is going to be long behind the US and UK at this point, could really see a strong wave in Europe in the Autumn. I do wonder if this is a rouse to use all the Pfizer stock for Europe and block exports.

While as you say a link between a very rare instance of blood clotting and the AstraZeneca jab looks more unlikely than likely, I can see why people who have had blood clotting issues would be worried now about getting the AstraZeneca jab. I do think that ideally they should be able to get the Pfizer one if they want although obviously it depends on what vaccine stocks are available.

The attitude that "You get what you're given" is one of the reasons the rollout in the UK has been so quick. It remains to be seen whether the desire to avoid mixing vaccines slows things down when the second doses are given.