Like what I know has come out of the UK Gov, Germany has done some modelling on the impact of the vaccination campaign on Cases, Hospital Admissions, Intensive Care Admissions, and Deaths (that’s the order the graph in the tweet below is in for the benefit of the non German speakers)

 

Without the vaccine (Ohne impf-Kampagne) they reckon that our death rate is nearly half what it would have been without the vaccine.

 

 

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(Note these numbers are from January until now (ie since the start of the vaccine roll out) and exclude the first and second waves of the virus. Germany’s total case rate is 3.7m and 91.7k deaths as of this morning)

 

 

These vaccines are great!

What are people’s thoughts about vaccine passports to enable access to nightclubs etc? I think it’s a good idea. Hopefully it will encourage particularly younger people to get the vaccine. The younger population has less risk of serious illness but nonetheless they can still pass it on to someone vulnerable. I personally wouldn’t want to go to a nightclub or busy pub right now anyway but for those who do then I think people should do their bit by getting vaccinated.

Like it and can’t understand the fuss at all. Most people against them are right wing tossers anyhow.

Love it, it’s been my daily life since April. We used to use them for stores as well but as the case Rate got better that requirement fell off.

 

It’s sensible. I use mine to get into the Gym and if I want to sit inside at a restaurant. The world hasn’t ended. A rapid test from a test centre in the past 24h works for the requirement too.

 

 

I think it’s a thoroughly sensible idea and should have been brought in months ago as restrictions were loosened. As im fairly certain I said in this very thread

I don't have a huge problem with them especially for international travel, obviously it provides a good incentive to get vaccinated for those who are slightly reluctant. In terms of domestic use then I'm a little more reticent because we should remember that some are unable to get the vaccine and/or are unwilling to take a test every time they want to go to a club but as a temporary measure to limit transmission then I think it is fair.

What are people’s thoughts about vaccine passports to enable access to nightclubs etc? I think it’s a good idea. Hopefully it will encourage particularly younger people to get the vaccine. The younger population has less risk of serious illness but nonetheless they can still pass it on to someone vulnerable. I personally wouldn’t want to go to a nightclub or busy pub right now anyway but for those who do then I think people should do their bit by getting vaccinated.

 

I don't know- I am a little on the fence with it all. Where and when does it stop?

 

I've been to busy pubs and bars and personally I feel fine. I'm double jabbed and while I understand the need to be cautious, we're also in a danger where we just accept the norm as our new reality. I do think more should be done to encourage young people to take up the vaccine and display the myths and hestitancy, which always seems to be "I don't know what I'm putting in to my body or we don't know the long term effects etc." Just not sure I am comfortable with forcing people to take it, I think more should be done around education.

I don’t get the „when and where does it stop“ narrative on vax passports. Especially when places have successfully implemented them for months

 

 

Ours started with needing it to get in non essential shops, then we added outside dining. It allowed both to open earlier than the epidemiological Situation otherwise would have allowed. As case rates fell, they moved the restrictions on a step. No longer for shop and outside dining but they now open inside dining and you need it there instead. Then they opened the gym and added it for that. We reopened cultural things and had it for that and in our most recent unlocking we took that requirement away

 

Our case rates are rising again so they paused the next step of reopening to keep some control and also because it encourages outside dining where it’s safer and is still getting people to test or vaccinate for high risk activities. No loss of liberty. No one died. No governments fell. The world did not end.

 

It’s going to keep bars and things open.

 

Our approach has been whenever something new reopens it has the test/vax requirement. As more reopens, we stop requiring tests/vax for some of the activities that reopened earlier or are deemed lower risk. It’s effectively a moving window that moves with the infection rate

The only problem I see with vax passports is why the government have opened things as a free for all with plans to bring in the passports later. That bit makes no sense.

 

Of course, I have the added personal issue that may parents will bark discrimination because they still will not get themselves vaccinated but expect to be able to do whatever they like regardless.

I don’t get the „when and where does it stop“ narrative on vax passports. Especially when places have successfully implemented them for months

Ours started with needing it to get in non essential shops, then we added outside dining. It allowed both to open earlier than the epidemiological Situation otherwise would have allowed. As case rates fell, they moved the restrictions on a step. No longer for shop and outside dining but they now open inside dining and you need it there instead. Then they opened the gym and added it for that. We reopened cultural things and had it for that and in our most recent unlocking we took that requirement away

 

Our case rates are rising again so they paused the next step of reopening to keep some control and also because it encourages outside dining where it’s safer and is still getting people to test or vaccinate for high risk activities. No loss of liberty. No one died. No governments fell. The world did not end.

 

It’s going to keep bars and things open.

 

Our approach has been whenever something new reopens it has the test/vax requirement. As more reopens, we stop requiring tests/vax for some of the activities that reopened earlier or are deemed lower risk. It’s effectively a moving window that moves with the infection rate

 

I'm not saying that can't be successful as they certainly can be - but I am not sure where I stand with them for everyday activities. It creates more problems than it solves, what's to say vaccine passports aren't then with us forever? I totally get them for international travel and for large events with thousands of people but for going to the cinema or the gym.. no thanks.

 

I can understand why a lot of people don't want to get vaccinated or don't understand the risk is absolutely minimal, I think the efforts should be enforced here rather than making it mandatory for people. I think it can have the negative effect and longer term cause more harm than good as it does feed in to the conspiracy theorist nuts arguments.

I don't know- I am a little on the fence with it all. Where and when does it stop?

 

I've been to busy pubs and bars and personally I feel fine. I'm double jabbed and while I understand the need to be cautious, we're also in a danger where we just accept the norm as our new reality. I do think more should be done to encourage young people to take up the vaccine and display the myths and hestitancy, which always seems to be "I don't know what I'm putting in to my body or we don't know the long term effects etc." Just not sure I am comfortable with forcing people to take it, I think more should be done around education.

 

I don’t think people should be forced to take the jab but we are living in a difficult situation with a highly contagious virus. People should deffo be encouraged to have the jab and if they don’t want it then it’s their choice but at the same time, they should be prepared to accept that they might not be able to go abroad or attend large events. That unfortunately is the consequence of their decision making to not have a jab which is likely to protect them and others from being seriously ill and putting a strain on our health care system.

It amazes me how people bleat away about their rights of by heart but the other capital R which is Responsibility is never thought of!

I don’t think people should be forced to take the jab but we are living in a difficult situation with a highly contagious virus. People should deffo be encouraged to have the jab and if they don’t want it then it’s their choice but at the same time, they should be prepared to accept that they might not be able to go abroad or attend large events. That unfortunately is the consequence of their decision making to not have a jab which is likely to protect them and others from being seriously ill and putting a strain on our health care system.

 

Which is exactly how I would expect it to be marketed to people, along with explaining why they cannot attend large events and go abroad. The larger problem is the mis-information being spread on social media, people saying "oh but the double jabbed are still dying" which of course is true, but without the context that the vaccine is not a silver bullet and it's saved thousands of lives! But this part is convinently never mentioned by other anti-vaxxers!

I don’t think people should be forced to take the jab but we are living in a difficult situation with a highly contagious virus. People should deffo be encouraged to have the jab and if they don’t want it then it’s their choice but at the same time, they should be prepared to accept that they might not be able to go abroad or attend large events. That unfortunately is the consequence of their decision making to not have a jab which is likely to protect them and others from being seriously ill and putting a strain on our health care system.

 

 

This is exactly my thoughts. People shouldn't be forced to take it but need to know that by not having it certain events, travel and jobs need the vaccine. Still their choice, still no freedom taken away if they have the choice.

The moderna vaccine has now been approved for use in 12 to 17 year olds by the MHRA. Although that doesn't mean it'll be offered to that age group just yet. Hopefully it will be to enable increased vaccination amongst younger people. Particuarly before school starts up again.

170 deaths recorded, the highest daily figure since 12th March. Not exactly reassuring is it.

Jesus like that seems a huge figure!

Cases went up by a THIRD in Scotland. :( And this is before the impact of schools going back properly kicks in.

 

it's really disheartening that with 40 million in the UK double jabbed there's still hundreds of daily deaths and cases are still skyrocketing. The fact that it's still summer makes it even more worrying because how much worse will it get in the autumn and winter?

 

 

Well cases were always going to rise now there's no restrictions but if the deaths figure keeps rising by the same proportion then it'll be interesting to see what the government says next.

Bare in mind the total daily death count (whilst high and tragic) is still way lower than it was at the peak of the last wave. The vaccines are doing their jobs. And let's be honest we all knew this was what was going to happen.

Yes but remember last August when zero people were vaccinated and pretty much all restrictions were lifted (barring clubs etc. which I doubt is the sole reason for the high numbers now) the deaths were in single digits most days.

 

If supposedly 90%+ of the population has antibodies from either prior infection or the vaccine and presumably the majority unvaccinated are young/otherwise healthy anyway then there are going to be serious questions asked if the deaths sky-rocket in Autumn as they did last year.