February 4, 20214 yr In anti-vax crankery news, Piers Corbyn has been arrested for distributing leaflets comparing the vaccine rollout to the Holocaust. And his statement denying an anti-Semitic undertone to this is...problematic, to say the least.
February 4, 20214 yr In anti-vax crankery news, Piers Corbyn has been arrested for distributing leaflets comparing the vaccine rollout to the Holocaust. And his statement denying an anti-Semitic undertone to this is...problematic, to say the least. Good. They should just lock him up. People like him and other conspiracists have also been spreading rumours claiming that Captain Tom died from the vaccine. They have no respect at all. Let the guy RIP
February 5, 20214 yr "ONE of whom was a superb worker" :cheeseblock: That statement is worse than if he had just said no comment.
February 6, 20214 yr Over 11 million jabs now and them seem confident all over 50s will be vaccinated by May- that is pretty massive if so. I do wonder if that includes other key workers too.. unlikely I suspect.
February 6, 20214 yr There are a LOT of older people now because of the ageing population but the vaccination program is going well.
February 6, 20214 yr https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus...inister-3126282 Hmm. Thoughts? Pretty much expected I would have thought for the next 12-18 months before we understand more about the virus, especially in the autumn/winter. I'm less sure about the social distancing being a permanent fixture in bars/clubs otherwise how can they ever re-open. But certainly even when we're all vaccinated I envision face coverings about for a while yet. But I do think when everyone has been vaccinated we will be in a much better place. The data coming out for Israel is really encouraging for example.
February 6, 20214 yr Well yeah, just because there's a vaccine doesn't mean the virus disappears. Actual cases need to be at a low enough number before restrictions should be eased and we know enough to be able to be confident cases won't spike again. It's been said for some time that there won't really be a 'back to normal' rather than a 'new normal' that will eventually become 'normal', this is something we will need to learn to live with rather than just hope it goes away (and I believe we will get to a point where we can live for the most part as we were before, it's happened in many parts of the world, it's just not gonna happen overnight).
February 7, 20214 yr Yes it's sensible to maintain mask use in shops even after everyone who wants a vaccine gets one because of the risk of new vaccine resistant varients emerging. A lot of people will turn down the offer to get the vaccine, you would expect the proportion of the population agreeing to have the vaccine will be lower for younger people than older people, and anyway the virus will spread between those who didn't get the vaccine and new mutations of the virus will occur which could weaken the effect of the current vaccines. The same thing will happen with the mutations particularly anywhere in the world that hasnt got an effective vaccine programme underway. What's happening in Tanzania is worrying in particular https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55900680 Edited February 7, 20214 yr by ElevenSnake
February 7, 20214 yr https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus...inister-3126282 Hmm. Thoughts? I broadly agree with this. I’m expecting to wear masks for a while yet when in crowded places and tbh will probably continue to wear them for a couple of years regardless of if there’s a requirement or not. I think there’s gonna be a while yet before things are back to how they were 12 months ago, but I think a repeat of the kind of restrictions we had this summer is possible. Quarantine/Testing on return from hot spots, social distancing, mask rules but able to go to the shops, cinema, travel, gym etc.
February 7, 20214 yr All I’m hoping for right now is that we can have things a bit like last Summer this Summer. I feel that’s achievable.
February 7, 20214 yr Yes it's sensible to maintain mask use in shops even after everyone who wants a vaccine gets one because of the risk of new vaccine resistant varients emerging. A lot of people will turn down the offer to get the vaccine, you would expect the proportion of the population agreeing to have the vaccine will be lower for younger people than older people, and anyway the virus will spread between those who didn't get the vaccine and new mutations of the virus will occur which could weaken the effect of the current vaccines. The same thing will happen with the mutations particularly anywhere in the world that hasnt got an effective vaccine programme underway. What's happening in Tanzania is worrying in particular https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55900680 And the bigger worry surely is this SA variant which if let loose in the public, means we run the risk of a large amount of our vaccines being a lot less effective against the variant.
February 9, 20214 yr £1,750 to quarantine in the 33 current "red zones" with mandatory testing- must admit I do like the mandatory testing and priorisiation of the sequencing, this is good. Not sure what this means for the future though? I can't see a way we're allowed to go on holiday if hotel quarantine is a potential threat. But I'm also beginning to subscribe to the theory that we can't do this forever and I am not sure covid will ever mutate in to a lesser form so not really sure what this means for the future of international travel.
February 9, 20214 yr Unfortunately looks like international travel is dead until this is completely eradicated. Who's gonna shell out an extra 2 grand for every holiday you go on other than the super rich?
February 9, 20214 yr We've only ever succeeded in eradicating one disease - smallpox. It took about 200 years. That's not to say it will take anywhere near as long to eradicate Covid-19 but we shouldn't pretend it is going away any time soon. Sorry, Mr Trump, it won't just magically disappear. Of course, we have top hope that mutations will be both less contagious and less fatal. However, for as long as it is circulating widely around the planet, the chances of more deadly mutations will be all too great. That is why it is important to consider sharing vaccines with other countries long before every adult in countries like the UK have been vaccinated. The £1,750 price seems ridiculously high at £175 per day. I would expect a very nice (and spacious) room with a good standard (and choice) of food at that price. After all, it's not as if the hotels would otherwise be heaving so the government should have been able to negotiate a very good deal.
February 9, 20214 yr Unfortunately looks like international travel is dead until this is completely eradicated. Who's gonna shell out an extra 2 grand for every holiday you go on other than the super rich? There will be loads of people going on holiday this year to the places not on the quarantine list I reckon.
February 9, 20214 yr I'd say it's only a matter of time before every country's on that list. They did the same thing with travel corridors, only a few countries you had to quarantine from at the start then it was basically everywhere. The uncertainty is the biggest put-off for me. You could travel to somewhere for 2 weeks not on the list then all of a sudden it'll be on the redlist so you either have to cut the trip short and pay over the odds to get a panic flight home or go through the new procedure which is even more expensive. Staycations it is then!
February 9, 20214 yr In England perhaps. Scotland is taking this approach for all incoming travellers meaning I can’t go back home for the foreseeable and also I cant be visited. Going to be a quite lonely 2021
February 9, 20214 yr I'd say it's only a matter of time before every country's on that list. They did the same thing with travel corridors, only a few countries you had to quarantine from at the start then it was basically everywhere. The uncertainty is the biggest put-off for me. You could travel to somewhere for 2 weeks not on the list then all of a sudden it'll be on the redlist so you either have to cut the trip short and pay over the odds to get a panic flight home or go through the new procedure which is even more expensive. Staycations it is then! They can't go with the 'uncertainty' tag once we get in to May, June and beyond. For one it will be utter carnage with the Government changing the rules and giving 48 hours notice and secondly there just would not be the room for everyone to quarantine. I can't imagine it being able to cope with 500,000 people per week, way too many people would slip through the net and there are just not the hotels able to cope either. My thoughts are come the end of lockdown they really have to say yes to international travel or its a no go in the short term.
February 9, 20214 yr A lot of cases of the South African variant have been found in Austrian Tirol. Given that the initial UK outbreak a year ago is generally believed to have been largely down to people returning form skiing holidays, the government would be grossly negligent not to add Austria to the "naughty list".
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