And now a 2nd song....

 

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Bey shouldn’t have changed a thing. People are never happy.

 

At this point she won’t have an album left. She needs to stick by her artistic vision and ignore the PC crowd. This world has gone bloody mad.

 

I’m not sure what Kelis’ legal issues with it have to do with PC culture though

Bey shouldn’t have changed a thing. People are never happy.

 

At this point she won’t have an album left. She needs to stick by her artistic vision and ignore the PC crowd. This world has gone bloody mad.

 

I don't think Beyonce's artistic vision is the use of that word lol. It's something small that can be changed to be inclusive and not derogatory of some of her fans! Easily done and if anything allows a greater audience to enjoy her artistic vision for this song rather than being taken out of it.

Bey shouldn’t have changed a thing. People are never happy.

 

At this point she won’t have an album left. She needs to stick by her artistic vision and ignore the PC crowd. This world has gone bloody mad.

She shouldn't have used an ableist slur in the first place. Re-recording it was absolutely the right thing to do and it's more than just the "PC crowd", it's a community within Beyoncé's fanbase who felt hurt when a derogatory word turned up in her album.

'Heated', for using the same slur that Lizzo did and had to change in her song.

 

Ah ha - I see. Thanks

I’m not sure what Kelis’ legal issues with it have to do with PC culture though

 

I think Kelis is classless and an absolute embarrassment based on what I’ve seen. A woman full of bitterness and scorn. Last I saw she was calling Beyoncé a pawn of Satan for interpolating 6 seconds of “La La La la’s” on a song and not giving writing credits to her when she doesn’t even have rights over the song (crediting her as a performer despite this). It’s ludicrous.

She shouldn't have used an ableist slur in the first place. Re-recording it was absolutely the right thing to do and it's more than just the "PC crowd", it's a community within Beyoncé's fanbase who felt hurt when a derogatory word turned up in her album.

 

They’re still not happy and still complaining. She shouldn’t have changed a thing.

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They’re still not happy and still complaining. She shouldn’t have changed a thing.

Disappointingly, most of the narrative on Twitter shares your viewpoint. I don't know your story or whether it affects you personally or not but I expect many of the people saying she shouldn't have changed it aren't on the receiving end, making their point of view irrelevant. If it's upsetting people, it should be changed, and I'm personally glad it has been - it's an uncomfortable word and Beyoncé has shown respect towards a community by taking it out and therefore taking ownership.

The word is not known as a ableist slur in America at all and is seen as something totally different with the black community over there, but she still absolutely did the right thing be re-recording it.

 

I'm annoyed I will forever be stuck with the ableist version of the album on vinyl.

Disappointingly, most of the narrative on Twitter shares your viewpoint. I don't know your story or whether it affects you personally or not but I expect many of the people saying she shouldn't have changed it aren't on the receiving end, making their point of view irrelevant. If it's upsetting people, it should be changed, and I'm personally glad it has been - it's an uncomfortable word and Beyoncé has shown respect towards a community by taking it out and therefore taking ownership.

 

Like I said, people are still complaining about her using the word in the first place. Listen to the Loose Women discussion on this matter. It did not matter to them that Bey had taken the word out. It was an opportunity for them to hate on a successful black woman and there’s nothing white people (disabled or not) love doing more than that.

 

 

The word is not known as a ableist slur in America at all and is seen as something totally different with the black community over there, but she still absolutely did the right thing be re-recording it.

 

I'm annoyed I will forever be stuck with the ableist version of the album on vinyl.

That will be worth a lot in 20 years. Take care of it.

Given what happened with Lizzo a few weeks ago, surely someone in her team should've seen this coming and anticipated it? Or did they just hope nobody would notice?

i feel like maybe they thought beyonce was untouchable - that her star power and her influence is so much that she'll always do the right thing or maybe be devoid of that sort of criticism?

Like I said, people are still complaining about her using the word in the first place. Listen to the Loose Women discussion on this matter. It did not matter to them that Bey had taken the word out. It was an opportunity for them to hate on a successful black woman and there’s nothing white people (disabled or not) love doing more than that.

You're referring to a small group of people still complaining - a very brief search on Twitter shows plenty of people being pleased that Beyoncé has listened to the criticism and taken it out. Your focus on a select few people is ignoring the big issue to blindly support keeping an ableist slur in a song.

i feel like maybe they thought beyonce was untouchable - that her star power and her influence is so much that she'll always do the right thing or maybe be devoid of that sort of criticism?

Considering Beyoncé has been pretty aggressively critiqued throughout her career, some of it incredibly personal and vicious. So I highly doubt they ever considered her 'untouchable'.

Like I said, people are still complaining about her using the word in the first place. Listen to the Loose Women discussion on this matter. It did not matter to them that Bey had taken the word out. It was an opportunity for them to hate on a successful black woman and there’s nothing white people (disabled or not) love doing more than that.

 

Just like there is nothing more that people like to do than to deprive disabled people of basic human rights that non-disabled people take for granted every single day... for instance when I went to see a special subtitled screening of a film since I am profoundly deaf and cannot understand them without captions, which by the way I had to travel to another city 2 hours away since my city wasn't showing the film subtitled at all in the 20+ cinemas we have, most people in the audience complained that the subtitles were ruining their enjoyment of the film!

 

Beyonce showed respect to those for whom that word is horrendously offensive and good for her. It would be equally as offensive if a white person used a racist term for a black person on their record and she wouldn't like that at the end of the day.

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Beyoncé, and Lizzie before her, was right to re-record. That term is still commonly used, I can’t believe how many times over the past year I’ve had to correct a teenager on it and explain why it’s offensive. If it remains in songs then people are just going to keep using it day to day.

Do I think white people who use the same word should be held accountable yes. But do I think anyone should should be called out for using the s word, also yes. As a disabled person myself, I know first hand how offensive it is. I don't really care if 'context was different, the bottom line is it is offensive for some and some even find it triggering. Able people and neurotypical should not have have a say. I have so much respect for Beyoncé and Lizzo for removing the word, more artists should do same imo.

I think Kelis is classless and an absolute embarrassment based on what I’ve seen. A woman full of bitterness and scorn. Last I saw she was calling Beyoncé a pawn of Satan for interpolating 6 seconds of “La La La la’s” on a song and not giving writing credits to her when she doesn’t even have rights over the song (crediting her as a performer despite this). It’s ludicrous.

You've not accurately grasped what Kelis' issues were. She didn't ask for writing credits on Beyoncé's 'Energy' song. She was annoyed that her song 'Milkshake' was interpolated into 'Energy' without ever being informed about it - she only found out after the song was released. Kelis felt that if Beyoncé and/or her people had called her to run the idea by her, then this would have been courteous. After all, 'Milkshake' is her song and it's her vocals that were interpolated.

 

Kelis has bad blood with the writers of 'Milkshake' (Pharrell and Chad Hugo), from her perspective they swindled her out of having any rights to her first few albums. Therefore her feeling is that Pharrell/Chad giving permission for 'Milkshake' to be used was on purpose to annoy her.

 

The 'La la la's' amounted to 16 seconds at the end of 'Energy', they've been removed. They were somewhat in the background so it's not too noticable that they've gone, but for Kelis this is a win because Pharrell/Chad can no longer profit from it.

 

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As for the slur word being removed from another song of hers, that is obviously a commendable action. While it is a shame that it was used in the first place, as has been mentioned it isn't generally considered offensive in America, specifically within the Black community, as it has a different intended meaning. Nevertheless she has a wide audience of listeners and for many it is first and foremost a slur. So it was right for Beyoncé to remove it. Promptly changing that lyric is what makes Beyoncé an artist of integrity in this situation.