I haven't seen that episode yet but imma say that F&F can't see EVERYTHING that is going on in the house. At least HMs inside can see more than the viewers, no? Plus, it's a bit of a cop out to give a reason to hate someone just because their MUMMY SAID SO. Have a f***ing mind of your own perhaps? F&F didn't say anything like OH CHARLIES PLAYING A GAME SHES IN THE DIARY ROOM DISSING EVERYONE I CANNAE STAND THAT BITCH they just expressed their OPINIONS based on the EDITS producers gave to each HMs.

Exactly that. Same goes for Gina, can she not form opinions of her own instead of just being like "er mai god, my boyfriend is lyk amazing, so erm he MUST be telling da truth, so yeah, Charlie, you r a bitch"? There's a way you can go about it. Obviously I understand Cal's comment that Hazel has had enough of trying to silently approach Charlie and sort it out, and sweep it under the carpet because it hasn't worked, but to this day I don't think Gina's had any beef with Charlie? It seemed like she was just jumping on the bandwagon for the sake of an argument, and to laugh at Charlie. "Oh, other F&F think she's said stuff, so they must have said stuff about me"; why didn't Gina just take Charlie aside and ask her if that was the case? Just because she may or may not have said things about Hazel (whether that be to other people or in the diary room), it doesn't mean she's said it about the rest of the house, as much as that could cause confusion. But yeah, as I said, there's a way Gina could have gone about it, and that was just the wrong way...

 

And as a viewer, I don't think I've really seen Charlie be "manipulative" or "sly" (as she is being referred to) at all. I don't think that's me being a blind fan of hers at all, I think it's more down to the fact that if she's said something or done something in particular to one of the HM's, then their families have picked up on that, and are just going to use any old tosh in the diary room when nominating her, exactly like what Charlie's friend said. The Daley situation was done and dusted, she brought that up (which was quite right, given Hazel hadn't really been given a proper insight to what the public thought about it, but at the end of the day, it was still a long time ago, so could have gone without mentioning I suppose), so literally anything that the F&F nominations stood for could have been grudges that the family have against X, Y or Z because of something they have done since Day 1, and it's just causing rifts among friendships (most notably Charlie and Hazel). Really don't think F&F noms should have been done this year, because it could go either way for Charlie now. :(

I still need to watch last night's show but all I need to say is the new task looks good. Queen Bee Gina.

I think the only person with a legitimate reason to grill Charlie was Hazel. Like her or not, her best friend has been going around to everyone in the house saying that she's faking emotions to win votes. I'd be LIVID if someone I trusted was saying that about me. I think it would've been better for Hazel to take Charlie to the tree house to talk it out among themselves, but she's tried that approach before and it's like talking to a brick wall so I can understand why Hazel has had enough. Gina had some reason to doubt Charlie but I don't think it was enough for her to go at her like she did, but she seems to have realized this so that's good, although her general flip-flopping is quite off-putting. I agree with Rob(ot) in that Charlie DOES say a lot of things to a lot of people. Hazel knows she's hated by an entire NATION, Gina has her fair share of haters due to silly mistakes (the safe house bitching being the biggest), Sophie is getting a hard time for saying stuff as well, so I don't know why there's such a huge pity party for Charlie. I still quite like her but this "she didn't mean to say those things. they came out all wrong!!" for a 26 year old get's old after two months.

But even then Hazel KNEW Charlie had thought that and isn't that the reason why they went to the treehouse just the day before? To sort it out and get out of their heads why they were having doubts about each other? So no, I personally don't think Hazel had a particular reason to rant at Charlie the way she did at all, imo. They'd had it all swept under the carpet and done with that as far as I was aware. I think Hazel was just so pissed off with the fact that Charlie's best friend nominated her, despite being Charlie's BFF in the house and just took advantage of how vulnerable Charlie was feeling to make herself seem more powerful in the argument. (That's what I personally got from the argument - I'm not saying it's correct of course :P).

 

I get the whole "not thinking before speaking" about Charlie, but imo, I far prefer that than someone being a pure bitch in the house. I think it helps that whenever Charlie does say the wrong thing, when she tries to clear the air with what she said, it seems like she actually genuinely didn't mean for it to come out that way. But yeah I don't have a problem with anyone who thinks she should learn to think before she speaks, because I can see why people would find it grating, but I'm just finding it hard to get my head around people calling her "sly" and "manipulative", which are two pretty strong words to call anyone, let alone someone who I haven't seen it from.

But Gina can't see everything, she can't see who's talking behind her back - so if her BOYFRIEND, the person who she trusts most, has told her that she is manipulative, she's bound to believe him. Pavel, you say that she can see more, Gina can only see what's being said to her, she can't see when someone's talking about her. If she's told that, she is BOUND to believe that, I don't see how she's in the wrong for having doubts over Charlie based on what she's head. What way exactly did Gina go about it 'the wrong way'? The way you're all describing it is like she shouted at Charlie in a really aggressive manner - she was barely even nasty to Charlie and made points to her outside in the garden, she never became overly rude, she just isn't completely trusting in Charlie anymore.

 

If you're in that house for 7 weeks with NO IDEA what the bigger picture is on some things in the house and you're told something by your boyfriend, you ARE going to have doubts in your mind, simple as that. So, it's easy to see why this has kicked off on Charlie, unfair or not and why Gina is getting so much stick for it, I really don't understand.

I swear this series is getting more and more shit by the day. I can't even bring myself to like one person now. I'll be glad to see the back of it in all honesty.

But Gina can't see everything, she can't see who's talking behind her back - so if her BOYFRIEND, the person who she trusts most, has told her that she is manipulative, she's bound to believe him. Pavel, you say that she can see more, Gina can only see what's being said to her, she can't see when someone's talking about her. If she's told that, she is BOUND to believe that, I don't see how she's in the wrong for having doubts over Charlie based on what she's head. What way exactly did Gina go about it 'the wrong way'? The way you're all describing it is like she shouted at Charlie in a really aggressive manner - she was barely even nasty to Charlie and made points to her outside in the garden, she never became overly rude, she just isn't completely trusting in Charlie anymore.

 

If you're in that house for 7 weeks with NO IDEA what the bigger picture is on some things in the house and you're told something by your boyfriend, you ARE going to have doubts in your mind, simple as that. So, it's easy to see why this has kicked off on Charlie, unfair or not and why Gina is getting so much stick for it, I really don't understand.

I haven't seen the last episode yet but I was just judging the situation by what everyone's been saying here. I know she started to gang up on Charlie (no matter if it was shouting and being horrible or just slightly bad) but she genuinely had no reason to do so. Does she have PROOF? Did she (the other HMs too obviously) see Charlie being bitchy, nasty or anything with her own eyes? She didn't. Doubts or not, you can't expect her to be fair in the situation. I'll get back on that (if I remember ha oops) as soon as I watch the episode and assess Gina's level of nastiness of course. :D

 

Do they not think that this kind of behaviour actually affects them in a negative way? Even if Charlie was a villain, no one likes a bully. Plus F&F could've easily lied to the HMs to stir shit up or because they are higher than their loved one in the odds or whatever. In the words of Charlie Travers, "GET SAHM PERSPECTIVE". :D

But even then Hazel KNEW Charlie had thought that and isn't that the reason why they went to the treehouse just the day before? To sort it out and get out of their heads why they were having doubts about each other? So no, I personally don't think Hazel had a particular reason to rant at Charlie the way she did at all, imo. They'd had it all swept under the carpet and done with that as far as I was aware. I think Hazel was just so pissed off with the fact that Charlie's best friend nominated her, despite being Charlie's BFF in the house and just took advantage of how vulnerable Charlie was feeling to make herself seem more powerful in the argument. (That's what I personally got from the argument - I'm not saying it's correct of course :P).

 

I think it's because even though Hazel knew Charlie had doubted her 'emotions', she had to find out via Gina that Charlie was going around telling everyone she didn't trust her, which was something Charlie failed to mention to Hazel in the treehouse. Had Charlie been straight with Hazel then I doubt it would've raised its head again. This, coupled with the fact that Charlie had been described as manipulative (I don't think she is), probably made Hazel think Charlie is trying to distance herself from her because she knows the public hate her. Hazel could've dealt with it a LOT better but considering she has been as cool as a cucumber (!!!) with Charlie it was only a matter of time before something tipped her over the edge. Charlie doesn't seem able to form her own opinions on anything and that can be seen in a negative light because, let's face it, it's not a good trait to have. She needs to make up her own mind about people and stop eavesdropping on conversations and then forming an opinion based on half of a theory. It only ends in tears, evidently. :(

I guess. But Charlie didn't go around telling people to be nasty. Only Gina and Sophie (which she told Hazel there and then last night, but Hazel still got more aggressive with her tone) and tbh, I think it was more of a "Guys, I'm stuck. I don't know how to approach this, can I get some help?" as opposed to her being a bitch behind Hazel's back.

 

This is why I find her so endearing though I think. She gets stuck and looks for every possible solution before making a judgement. She tries to rationalise the negatives before making a decision and it's clear this experience means a lot more to her personally, than anyone else in the house, but just wants to get on with people (but I do believe that if she was to think someone was nasty/no good, she would ditch them). I do see why her traits can be seen as "enough is enough" or a bit too much and off putting to others, but like I said earlier, I much prefer her like this rather than if she was purposely bitchy. She's honest and comes off as genuine to me. So I love her :lol:

Well this has been arguably the most boring 20 minutes of big brother this series!

Gina's been perfectly reasonable tonight, she's shown that she does still care about Charlie and doesn't want to hurt her, but she did get very caught up in the whole argument, that showed her more explosive side. But she is still caring because she's the only one who seems to feel bad by Charlie being ostrisised.

Too much moob in one episode for the eyes to take.

Edited August 7, 201311 yr by Jade

Too much moob in one episode for the eyes to take.

Are you referring to those twins by any chance?

I'm not sure why people are saying Gina was 'influenced' by Hazel. In the safe house Gina called Charlie 'fake' and 'desperate for a record deal' so she clearly didn't think highly of her. I like Charlie and there's no bad in her (even Hazel said this today) but she needs to stop talking about other people if she doesn't want to be found out. Don't pretend to be friends with someone if you've just stated to someone else that they're fake and you don't trust them. There's just something about the girls this series that makes me want to pull my hair out. From what I remember from a few years ago Hazel isn't the cold-hearted bitch she's being made out to be, but DEAR GOD someone please take the shovel away from her. Gina is good entertainment and can be quite nice but I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her. Sophie is useless at keeping secrets. Someone tells her something and then five seconds later she runs off to tell everyone what that person said. Charlie has the divine gift of foot-in-mouth and clearly can't formulate her own opinions and is very very child-like. Jesus. I step away from BB for a couple of years and now look at me. WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS DONE TO ME? :(

I swear Iain is on BOTS everyday. I did agree with him about Dexter from a housemate perspective but come on even he has to admit he's a sneaky snake.

I'm not sure why people are saying Gina was 'influenced' by Hazel. In the safe house Gina called Charlie 'fake' and 'desperate for a record deal' so she clearly didn't think highly of her. I like Charlie and there's no bad in her (even Hazel said this today) but she needs to stop talking about other people if she doesn't want to be found out. Don't pretend to be friends with someone if you've just stated to someone else that they're fake and you don't trust them. There's just something about the girls this series that makes me want to pull my hair out. From what I remember from a few years ago Hazel isn't the cold-hearted bitch she's being made out to be, but DEAR GOD someone please take the shovel away from her. Gina is good entertainment and can be quite nice but I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her. Sophie is useless at keeping secrets. Someone tells her something and then five seconds later she runs off to tell everyone what that person said. Charlie has the divine gift of foot-in-mouth and clearly can't formulate her own opinions and is very very child-like. Jesus. I step away from BB for a couple of years and now look at me. WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS DONE TO ME? :(

If only you watched the last year's edition you'd have been TWICE as what you are right now. Every episode of the 2nd half had some explosion or aguement or confrontation in it, and it was so infuriating to watch everyone bully Deana & Co. :(

It still makes me feel sick that Conor was not removed from the Big Brother house and ended up winning 50,000! Unfortunately we've not seen Deana on Bbbots! I can't believe she recieved some boos, while Conor got cheered! Sickening!

I agree. I still think Conor should have definitely been evicted. When he took the £50,000 I just felt so deflated, and I know it's just a game show but I felt like justice was never done.

 

I think Charlie is handling everything pretty well to be honest. You see people become overly aggressive in the BB house if a lot of people turn on them sometimes but she's always calm and talks about it in a very deep way and I think that is very commendable. I also think it's really nice of Sam and Dexter through it, but Hazel is a complete loose canon and I am back to thinking she is a vile game player again. No way on Earth Charlie has deserved that.

 

I don't really know what to make of Dexter and Gina anymore. I've gone from despising the former and then now finding him tolerable and I think Gina is genuine or trying to play a massive game.

Are you referring to those twins by any chance?

 

Who else is it gonna be?!

Pretty sure a lot of people will hate this (HI CAL & PAVEL) but Hazel needed to be told about herself, and it was WAY overdue

 

http://www.channel5.com/bigbrother/article...azel-have-a-row

 

Gina :wub: "I don't even want to breathe the same air as her, its that bad"

OMFG.

 

 

YOU'RE A LITTLE DIRTY $l*t, YOU'RE A DIRTY ASS SKANK :wub: