Ultimately my point is that it's all about the music with TT throughout their career.

 

I do agree with that. However that really didn't come across at all in your previous posts.

 

Yeh apologies, I think I was annoyed at Sammy01 point that SGs 'could be' amazing when they haven't proved it and TT being crap!

A Take That and Spice Girls duet with be awesome,i so enjoy both groups.

The girls are Take That fans too so .... you never know..

Both are legends in their fields with remarkable careers and legacies to leave behind.

Why are you comparing Take That and Rita Ora though? They are quite obviously on totally different levels when it comes to both singles and albums at the moment. Does Rita have to sell the same amount as Take That for you to be impressed by her figures? Let's put things into perspective, because on a relative basis, BOTH acts are doing just fine. As for Milly's point about why Rita isn't as frontloaded, it's because she currently has a broader appeal as opposed to selling mostly to an existing fanbase. Take That can sell more, but I expect Rita will sell more consistently past Christmas once the gift-buying season is over and she continues to get more singles success.

 

However, the daily sales for Take That are proving it is definitely frontloaded. 67k -> 18k -> 5k is a sharp decline even though it's going to finish on impressive sales nonetheless. It will plateau and sell well over Christmas I'm sure, but let's not pretend it's going to keep up these huge sales every week. It HAS been boosted by the tour packages and the fanbase buys, it's nothing to get defensive about, it's a fact proved by its decline in daily sales since day 1!

I didn't make any attempt to deny Take That's sales are front-loaded but its hardly their fault they have a big, committed fanbase who will buy tour tickets at huge expense or pre-order the album in advance.

 

I need to pick up the point about Rita's album picking up as she gets MORE single success. She's already 5 singles from the album, 4 of which went top 10. That's a lot of single success already which should be boosting the album now.

 

I'm not sure why you have tried to make out I have said things I haven't but it just reaffirms my point, the number 1 album with nearly 90k sales and over 5 times more sales than the number 2 album is being talked down and more reasons/excuses being made as to why the number 6 album hasn't done better so far.

 

Take from that what you will.

Edited November 26, 20187 yr by dennispennis123

I didn't make any attempt to deny Take That's sales are front-loaded but its hardly their fault they have a big, committed fanbase who will buy tour tickets at huge expense or pre-order the album in advance.

 

I need to pick up the point about Rita's album picking up as she gets MORE single success. She's already 5 singles from the album, 4 of which went top 10. That's a lot of single success already which should be boosting the album now.

 

I'm not sure why you have tried to make out I have said things I haven't but it just reaffirms my point, the number 1 album with nearly 90k sales and over 5 times more sales than the number 2 album is being talked down and more reasons/excuses being made as to why the number 6 album hasn't done better so far.

 

Take from that what you will.

 

I hope the final sentence was a pun!

A Take That and Spice Girls duet with be awesome,i so enjoy both groups.

The girls are Take That fans too so .... you never know..

Both are legends in their fields with remarkable careers and legacies to leave behind.

 

Probabaly the best post about this arguemrnt :)

I'm not sure why you would compare the 2, the Spice Girls haven't released anything in 11 years and not released a studio album in 18 years.

Why are you comparing Take That and Rita Ora though?

You can't compare the two really.

I'm sensing a theme in this thread today :heehee:

 

It probs won't happen but I hope Ava can land in the top 3, just so she has another week of a double digit jump! :D

I would say artists like Ava excel in the gift card week??

http://i.imgur.com/xQUKJ5L.png

 

Tuesday Top 40 Update

Missing Data: Amazon HD, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube (all for Monday), Amazon Music (for Sunday and Monday)

 

Singles

 

1 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (24.2k)

2 Little Mix feat. Nicki Minaj - Woman Like Me (15.9k)

3 Jess Glynne - Thursday (15.6k)

4 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - Shallow (15.1k)

5 Halsey - Without Me (13.9k)

 

6-10

6 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho

8 Kodak Black feat. Travis Scott & Offset - ZEZE

 

11-20

11 Jonas Blue, Liam Payne & Lennon Stella - Polaroid

14 Zara Larsson - Ruin My Life

15 Charli XCX & Troye Sivan - 1999

16 Calvin Harris & Sam Smith - Promises

19 Ellie Goulding, Diplo & Swae Lee - Close to Me

 

21-30

21 DigDaT - AirForce *

22 George Ezra - Hold My Girl

23 Billie Eilish - when the party's over

24 James Arthur - Empty Space

26 Clean Bandit feat. Marina & Luis Fonsi - Baby

28 Sheck Wes - Mo Bamba

30 benny blanco & Calvin Harris - I Found You

 

31-40

33 Pinkfong - Baby Shark

34 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You ^

37 Jason Derulo & David Guetta feat. Nicki Minaj & Willy William - Goodbye ^

39 Sigala, Ella Eyre & Meghan Trainor feat. French Montana - Just Got Paid ^

40 Lady Gaga - Always Remember Us This Way ^

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Albums

 

1 Take That - Odyssey (93.9k) *

2 Cliff Richard - Rise Up (20.0k) *

3 Michael Bublé - love (18.6k)

4 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (16.1k)

5 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By (13.5k) *

 

6-10

6 Roy Orbison & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Unchained Melodies *

8 Rita Ora - Phoenix *

 

11-20

 

21-30

22 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again

27 Elton John - Diamonds

 

31-40

35 Amy MacDonald - Woman of the World *

37 Queen - Greatest Hits

38 Aretha Franklin - The Queen of Soul *

39 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! ^

40 ABBA - Gold: Greatest Hits ^

I'm quite surprised Rita has slipped to #8, I always in my mind had this down as a #6 album.

God Dammit Zara, this is totally going to peak at #11 :(

 

Could Rita potentially miss the top 10?

Could Rita potentially miss the top 10?

Nope

A few random re-entries there, I thought the guetta and sigala tracks were done & dusted.

 

Definitely here for hearing Mariah in the charts pre-december!

A few random re-entries there, I thought the guetta and sigala tracks were done & dusted.

Slow week leads to natural fluctuation, both are actually declining in sales again this week so it's not really a boost of any sort.

Yes, I always seem to overlook the fact that songs don't just fall off a cliff upon exiting the top 40 for the first time so are prone to a random rise now & then.

4.5K yesterday for TT

 

also thought Rita was 100% sure to go at #6 :D

 

also funny to see 2 Jess Glynne tracks fighting in the top 3 against each other (Woman like me vs Thursday)

Joseph, do you think Zara can sneak into the TOP 10 this week ?

 

 

I'm enjoying that Ava song now. :P

wow @ Rita, i thought she would go to #6 too.

 

Joseph, do you think Zara can sneak into the TOP 10 this week ?

Quite unlikely!

 

Rita's projected to finish at #10, definitely no lower and probably not any higher either, but she's more likely to finish higher than lower. A lower position than I had expected but it's a busy schedule at this time of year. Expecting it to repeak in the new year!

Rita continuing to disappoint.

 

Already has 5 singles off the album and a current hit doing well and is a well known name and face, I don't know why more people aren't buying the album as Christmas gifts or streaming it.