Just thought. Why didn't they mobilise the unemployed and get them bussed to the farms? Few free raspberries too.

 

Hope there's enough people to pick the sprouts for Christmas dinner or there'll be a shortage. :D

 

Enjoy getting bussed in to the fields x

 

Enjoy getting bussed in to the fields x

 

Oh no I'm not going now. :)

You just said it would be a good idea? Lead by example x

You just said it would be a good idea? Lead by example x

 

 

They've all gone rotten now though so it's too late. :(

You should get a job working for the DWP, you're like a poster child for everything negative they say about people who don't or can't work.

You should get a job working for the DWP, you're like a poster child for everything negative they say about people who don't or can't work.

 

Job? Slow down there!

Job? Slow down there!

 

 

:D

Just thought. Why didn't they mobilise the unemployed and get them bussed to the farms? Few free raspberries too.

 

Hope there's enough people to pick the sprouts for Christmas dinner or there'll be a shortage. :D

The UK's unemployment rate is currently less than 4%. Most economists consider this to be well within the threshold of full employment - the remainder is just part of the normal churn of people changing jobs.

 

Our economy needs migration more than ever right now.

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by Harve

You’re finally turning against Boris :o :cheer:

 

 

I meant another forum member actually. :)

Tonights Propaganda from Cummings and Co. :

 

‘The negotiations will probably end this week. Varadkar doesn’t want to negotiate. Varadkar was keen on talking before the Benn Act when he thought that the choice would be ‘new deal or no deal’. Since the Benn Act passed he has gone very cold and in the last week the official channels and the backchannels have also gone cold. Varadkar has also gone back on his commitments — he said if we moved on manufactured goods then he would also move but instead he just attacked us publicly. It’s clear he wants to gamble on a second referendum and that he’s encouraging Barnier to stick to the line that the UK cannot leave the EU without leaving Northern Ireland behind.

 

There are quite a few people in Paris and Berlin who would like to discuss our offer but Merkel and Macron won’t push Barnier unless Ireland says it wants to negotiate. Those who think Merkel will help us are deluded. As things stand, Dublin will do nothing, hoping we offer more, then at the end of this week they may say ‘OK, let’s do a Northern Ireland only backstop with a time limit’, which is what various players have been hinting at, then we’ll say No, and that will probably be the end.

 

Varadkar thinks that either there will be a referendum or we win a majority but we will just put this offer back on the table so he thinks he can’t lose by refusing to compromise now. Given his assumptions, Varadkar’s behaviour is arguably rational but his assumptions are, I think, false. Ireland and Brussels listen to all the people who lost the referendum, they don’t listen to those who won the referendum and they don’t understand the electoral dynamics here.

 

If this deal dies in the next few days, then it won’t be revived. To marginalise the Brexit Party, we will have to fight the election on the basis of ‘no more delays, get Brexit done immediately’. They thought that if May went then Brexit would get softer. It seems few have learned from this mistake. They think we’re bluffing and there’s nothing we can do about that, not least given the way May and Hammond constantly talked tough then folded.

 

So, if talks go nowhere this week, the next phase will require us to set out our view on the Surrender Act. The Act imposes narrow duties. Our legal advice is clear that we can do all sorts of things to scupper delay which for obvious reasons we aren’t going into details about. Different lawyers see the “frustration principle” very differently especially on a case like this where there is no precedent for primary legislation directing how the PM conducts international discussions.

 

We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences. Those who support delay will go to the bottom of the queue. [This source also made clear that defence and security cooperation will inevitably be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in against the will of its government]Supporting delay will be seen by this government as hostile interference in domestic politics, and over half of the public will agree with us.

 

We will also make clear that this government will not negotiate further so any delay would be totally pointless. They think now that if there is another delay we will keep coming back with new proposals. This won’t happen. We’ll either leave with no deal on 31 October or there will be an election and then we will leave with no deal.

 

‘When they say ‘so what is the point of delay?’, we will say “This is not our delay, the government is not asking for a delay — Parliament is sending you a letter and Parliament is asking for a delay but official government policy remains that delay is an atrocious idea that everyone should dismiss. Any delay will in effect be negotiated between you, Parliament, and the courts — we will wash our hands of it, we won’t engage in further talks, we obviously won’t given any undertakings about cooperative behaviour, everything to do with ‘duty of sincere cooperation’ will be in the toilet, we will focus on winning the election on a manifesto of immediately revoking the entire EU legal order without further talks, and then we will leave. Those who supported delay will face the inevitable consequences of being seen to interfere in domestic politics in a deeply unpopular way by colluding with a Parliament that is as popular as the clap.

 

Those who pushed the Benn Act intended to sabotage a deal and they’ve probably succeeded. So the main effect of it will probably be to help us win an election by uniting the leave vote and then a no deal Brexit. History is full of such ironies and tragedies.’

I think I actually just threw up

Tomorrow’s important Brexit to do list for me:

 

-Send signed contact back to Germany

-Arrange removals quotations

-Quadruple efforts to find an apartment in Berlin

-Send Asylum request to Merkel

It's not propaganda. It's the stark staring truth. Extending will achieve nothing as Boris will win an overall majority with MP's ready to vote for no deal. As the EU, Ireland, Parliament and the Courts are trying to keep us in against the will of the UK electorate then they should realise that delay will achieve nothing. I just wish one EU country's leader had the balls to veto the extension. 100+ seat majority for Boris if they campaign on a Brexit platform and str4ss they've been frustrated at every turn.

Edited October 7, 20195 yr by Common Sense

It's not propaganda. It's the stark staring truth. Extending will achieve nothing as Boris will win an overall majority with MP's ready to vote for no deal. As the EU, Ireland, Parliament and the Courts are trying to keep us in against the will of the UK electorate then they should realise that delay will achieve nothing. I just wish one EU country's leader had the balls to veto the extension. 100+ seat majority for Boris if they campaign on a Brexit platform and str4ss they've been frustrated at every turn.

It's propaganda. And propaganda coming from an unelected bureaucrat.

 

Where do you get this idea that MPs will vote for no deal after they have rejected it several times?

 

If you are so sure that the will of the people is to leave, why don't you want it to be put to the test? Don't bother blathering on about the referendum. That was 3 1/2 years ago and based on a vague principle. Why not test opinion again now that there is something more concrete to vote on?

It's not propaganda. It's the stark staring truth. Extending will achieve nothing as Boris will win an overall majority with MP's ready to vote for no deal. As the EU, Ireland, Parliament and the Courts are trying to keep us in against the will of the UK electorate then they should realise that delay will achieve nothing. I just wish one EU country's leader had the balls to veto the extension. 100+ seat majority for Boris if they campaign on a Brexit platform and str4ss they've been frustrated at every turn.

You can’t even say why Johnson’s attempt at a deal is better than May’s deal.

 

Please just explain how it solves the issue with Ireland

It's not propaganda. It's the stark staring truth. Extending will achieve nothing as Boris will win an overall majority with MP's ready to vote for no deal. As the EU, Ireland, Parliament and the Courts are trying to keep us in against the will of the UK electorate then they should realise that delay will achieve nothing. I just wish one EU country's leader had the balls to veto the extension. 100+ seat majority for Boris if they campaign on a Brexit platform and str4ss they've been frustrated at every turn.

 

No EU state is going to block a delay. You may be right Chris but IMO whilst the strategy from number 10 is pretty transparent (take an impossible position to force no deal and then put the blame on both the EU and Parliament) - it has been tried already and I think it will ultimately fail. Don't forget that Theresa May started her 2017 General Election with a similar strategy, with a plea to the public to strengthen her hand in the EU negotiations, frustrated that Parliament was deliberately working against her and undermining the Brexit process - the verdict from the public: Tough.

A general election is definitely not solving anything no matter how hard they want it to.

It's propaganda. And propaganda coming from an unelected bureaucrat.

 

Where do you get this idea that MPs will vote for no deal after they have rejected it several times?

 

 

New Parliament with dozens and dozens of new Brexit Tory MP's.

It's propaganda. And propaganda coming from an unelected bureaucrat.

 

Where do you get this idea that MPs will vote for no deal after they have rejected it several times?

 

If you are so sure that the will of the people is to leave, why don't you want it to be put to the test? Don't bother blathering on about the referendum. That was 3 1/2 years ago and based on a vague principle. Why not test opinion again now that there is something more concrete to vote on?

 

Okay I don't mind a second referendum then. Why won't MP's vote for one?

A general election is definitely not solving anything no matter how hard they want it to.

 

 

It is if Boris stands on a Brexit platform and plays the martyr, frustrated by MP's, Courts, the EU, Ireland and wins a good majority and we crash out on Jan. 31st. What's the point of an extension? Someone tell me that . If this new deal isn't acceptable to the EU then what would be?