It could be wrong but who knows. Whatever Labour were doing before wasn't working either. I think if it is done right and the pandemic leads to greater increases in people wanting the Government to invest in UK based public services then it could be good.

 

Starmer has to forget about the second referendum, as does the whole country. I think in the end, a lot of us who were Pro-EU ultimately forgot that while there were many people who voted to stay in the EU, a large proportion of these people just wanted it over and done with. It's done now and we have to move on as a country in the medium term.

 

It was working. If it weren't for Brexshit, and in 2017 the sabotage of the Labour right throwing their toys out the pram, it would have worked.

It was working. If it weren't for Brexshit, and in 2017 the sabotage of thr Labour eight throwing their toys out the pram, it would have worked.

 

You mean Brexshit, which a Corbyn led Labour to do absolutely nothing to swing the vote to Remain? Or forgetting the disaster of the 2019 election.

 

The result in 2017 was fantastic, but the truth is the Tories ousted out their unpopular leader after the calamity and Labour failed to understand that Corbyn was unpopular with large proportions of the electorate despite how good some of the core policies may have been.

With the media in the BBTories' pockets, Labpur's one chance to avoid a one party state was in 2017, and the centrists/right ruined it. If they hadn't sabotaged Corbyn, we would be in a coalition left-wing government right now, wjth a reformed voting system and media. Things would be looking very different. I guess neoliberals want ALL of the power, with the left forced to vote for them, rather thsn just MOST OF IT

With the media in the BBTories' pockets, Labpur's one chance to avoid a one party state was in 2017, and the centrists/right ruined it. If they hadn't sabotaged Corbyn, we would be in a coalition left-wing government right now, wjth a reformed voting system and media. Things would be looking very different. I guess neoliberals want ALL of the power, with the left forced to vote for them, rather thsn just MOST OF IT

When did Corbyn ever advocate electoral reform? Labour had a chance to change the electoral system when they were last in power. Despite a commitment to do so, they failed.

Just one of many reasons why the last Labour government was a failure for progressive and democratic causes. They should have realised the two-party system doesn't favour them, it favours their rivals, they should have tried harder to put in safeguards to stop it but it risked their position as the eternal (and ultimately pointless) alternative whenever people finally see through Conservative bullshit.

 

A left-wing Labour elected on a fluke might have realised that the best way to help their chances of getting back in power again would have been to implement electoral reform. Might, though Corbyn's direction was always a bit too stubborn for me to be confident about that.

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You can have a route out of this pandemic nightmare but it involves the Tories being absolved of their numerous fuck-ups that no doubt extended this hell, and instead being rewarded with a huge bump in the polls.

 

Seriously the 2020s can just get in the bin.

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You can have a route out of this pandemic nightmare but it involves the Tories being absolved of their numerous fuck-ups that no doubt extended this hell, and instead being rewarded with a huge bump in the polls.

 

Seriously the 2020s can just get in the bin.

 

How high do we think they'll get when the vaccine boost is actually felt this summer and everything reopens?

People have short f***ing memories like - absolute bunch of jokers!

I seriously do not understand these polling figure or apparently 43% of the general public

It's because the media have pushed the narrative that the success of the vaccine rollout is down to them, when it really isn't.

I seriously do not understand these polling figure or apparently 43% of the general public

 

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45%

My god. I mean, when there’s no opposition, it’s no surprise but Jesus...

Wouldn't be surprised to see them up to 50% come summer with vaccine rollout/restrictions ending.

 

It won't be until the autumn budget is released with all the planned tax hikes that the tories will start slipping in the polls. We may even see austerity in full force once again in 2022-2024 which could hurt them quite a lot in time for the next election perhaps?

 

I've resigned the 2020s to having the cons in power the whole decade. :/ The only thing I hope is that they lose enough support to make a dent in their majority.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them up to 50% come summer with vaccine rollout/restrictions ending.

 

It won't be until the autumn budget is released with all the planned tax hikes that the tories will start slipping in the polls. We may even see austerity in full force once again in 2022-2024 which could hurt them quite a lot in time for the next election perhaps?

 

I've resigned the 2020s to having the cons in power the whole decade. :/ The only thing I hope is that they lose enough support to make a dent in their majority.

 

You're right — post-lockdown, post-vaccine, summer bliss.

 

The party seems more concerned with social conservatism than economic so I really don't think austerity is coming back — not in the way we expect at least. That doesn't mean they won't continue being corrupt and helping their friends get richer though.

Keir Starmer and the right wing centrists should be 20 points ahead! The last time Labour was ahead was with Democratic socialists at the helm. Says it all, doesn't it, centrists? ;)

You're right — post-lockdown, post-vaccine, summer bliss.

 

The party seems more concerned with social conservatism than economic so I really don't think austerity is coming back — not in the way we expect at least. That doesn't mean they won't continue being corrupt and helping their friends get richer though.

 

Yes my fear is the jingoism and the war on woke that the Tories will focus more on to divide and rule and put the "Red Wall" seats on lock. Starmer has been such a disappointment. Thought he would at least try to unite the wings of the Labour party and be more positive on equality but hes scared of his own shadow

Do people forget 130k people have died.....

 

You're right — post-lockdown, post-vaccine, summer bliss.

 

The party seems more concerned with social conservatism than economic so I really don't think austerity is coming back — not in the way we expect at least. That doesn't mean they won't continue being corrupt and helping their friends get richer though.

 

I don't think they will go with outright austerity, but they will do something - likely a stealth tax. The one thing I'm interested in is whether we'll see the changing demographic affect the next election. COVID-19 has primarily killed older people (65+) and has killed/will kill a significant amount to cause a decrease in the amount of state pension the government will pay over the next few years. I wonder if that will also have an affect on the voting demographic given the older someone is the more likely to vote for the conservatives.

 

Do people forget 130k people have died.....

 

The unfortunate thing for most is that is just a number - something most people cannot necessarily comprehend and that can be easily forgotten. People are more likely to remember the positives than negatives: i.e; being vaccinated/restrictions ending/seeing family again etc.

I'm sure the last polling I saw had more people blaming the public than the government for rise in cases, deaths and restrictions, with some of the governments worst policies being backed by opposition parties, unfortunately Labour have done an awful job in convincing anyone we'd be in any better state if they were in power. And anyone who's anti-lockdown is still far more likely to vote for the government given no other party have proposed any sort of alternative.

 

Keir Starmer and the right wing centrists should be 20 points ahead! The last time Labour was ahead was with Democratic socialists at the helm. Says it all, doesn't it, centrists? ;)

 

But no where close to being infront when it actually mattered. Remarkably similar to today, infact.

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I'm sure the last polling I saw had more people blaming the public than the government for rise in cases, deaths and restrictions, with some of the governments worst policies being backed by opposition parties, unfortunately Labour have done an awful job in convincing anyone we'd be in any better state if they were in power. And anyone who's anti-lockdown is still far more likely to vote for the government given no other party have proposed any sort of alternative.

But no where close to being infront when it actually mattered. Remarkably similar to today, infact.

 

And so the left wing policies were neeever the problem - quite the opposite, really - and the hard right media and one party stare were to blame.