Another in your series of bizarre ideas about the Tories. :doh:

 

 

"Coalition of Chaos"

 

Plus countless other attacks in the press and through soundbites/ interviews.

I would support an indyref2, circumstances have changed considerably because of Brexit so I don't think it is undemocratic to have another referendum there.

 

Soz but we don’t want you. Tory and Brexit. Big pass, however we will gladly take your giant Nissan factory. We’ve already got North East Scotland and the bloody borders. Don’t need North East England holding us back too

 

It's also worth remembering that as well as northern England, there is a possibility that some former Northern Ireland unionists, seeing that the Union is over, may want Northern Ireland to join with Scotland if Scotland becomes independent in a last ditch attempt to avoid a United Ireland which they are opposed to, but again I doubt Scottish nationalists would support such a move.

Edited January 16, 20205 yr by januarysalesnake

Iz~ consistently presents arguments with reasoning and explanations. Chris, as this thread has proven again, mostly does not. These comments are as tiring as ever.

 

It shouldn't be difficult to explain your arguments.

 

 

Oxford Dictionary definition of opinion. "A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."

 

It's just an individual viewpoint then. I don't really have another reason besides thinking that 6 years isn't a long enough gap between them. Satisfied now?

 

Why do I hate Dance Monkey when many others love it? I just do! I can't really explain why.

 

 

My cousin hates tuna with a passion but loves salmon and all other fish and seafood. When I asked him WHY he hates it, as I love it, he says he doesn't know, just does. Has everything in this world to have a reason? :rolleyes:

Edited January 16, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

Common Sense has just stumbled across the philosophical question about free will and what makes us us :rofl: We have no free will over what we like, as that is decided for us - but by what?

Common Sense has just stumbled across the philosophical question about free will and what makes us us :rofl: We have no free will over what we like, as that is decided for us - but by what?

 

 

Of course it's decided by us but it doesn't always have a reason.

 

No wonder new posters won't come in here if everything must be backed with a reason. It would put me off posting. Me and Vid get blamed for members not wantiing to post here but look more closely at yourselves.

Of course it's decided by us but it doesn't always have a reason.

 

No wonder new posters won't come in here if everything must be backed with a reason. It would put me off posting. Me and Vid get blamed for members not wantiing to post here but look more closely at yourselves.

 

It's not and that's why we don't really have free will x

Of course it's decided by us but it doesn't always have a reason.

 

No wonder new posters won't come in here if everything must be backed with a reason. It would put me off posting. Me and Vid get blamed for members not wantiing to post here but look more closely at yourselves.

 

With all due respect, maybe should shouldn’t be posting in here. This particular area of the site is here for discussion and debate and you’ve admitted that your opinions are uninformed and that you don’t want to have to explain yourself. This means you’re in the wrong place. You can’t just come in here and parrot the same sentences and then get upset when people want to discuss it properly with you.

 

And don’t do the ‘you’re putting off new members’ thing. Many well seasoned debaters won’t come into this forum anymore precisely because of the posting behaviour of yours I’ve outlined above. It makes these threads feel like troll threads and is more likely to put off newer members.

Fine. Have it all to yourselves then. You don't like it when anyone has an opinion other than the majority. IE Brexiteer, against another Scottish referendum, fan of Trump.

 

I wouldn't mind but you asked for a reason and I gave it. They had one just six years ago. The SNP and Sturgeon are obsessed with Scottish independence as that's what their party stands for. Doesn't mean it would be good for Scotland. Like Brexit no-one really knows.

 

Won't post here anymore then. :(

Fine. Have it all to yourselves then. You don't like it when anyone has an opinion other than the majority. IE Brexiteer, against another Scottish referendum, fan of Trump.

 

I wouldn't mind but you asked for a reason and I gave it. They had one just six years ago. The SNP and Sturgeon are obsessed with Scottish independence as that's what their party stands for. Doesn't mean it would be good for Scotland. Like Brexit no-one really knows.

 

Won't post here anymore then. :(

But you haven't addressed the counter-arguments. That's the point. We want people with conflicting opinions, but we also want them to engage in discussion. That means responding when somebody challenges your argument.

But you haven't addressed the counter-arguments. That's the point. We want people with conflicting opinions, but we also want them to engage in discussion. That means responding when somebody challenges your argument.

 

 

I have said because they had one 6 years ago. I know things have changed and we're leaving the EU but still doesn't seem long enough to me. Should be for the next generation to decide imo.

 

Has Boris ever said why he won't allow another? I'd be interested to know as Cameron allowed one.

Edited January 16, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

Doesn't mean it would be good for Scotland. Like Brexit no-one really knows.

We've got a far better idea of what an independent Scotland would look like than a post-Brexit Britain, considering the Scottish government actually took the time to produce a 650-page document outlining every aspect of life moving forward. Boris gives you nothing but soundbites, false promises, lies and deceit and that's somehow comparable to you?

 

Voted yes in the poll.

And Brexshit promised different shades and textures of brexshit to everyone. Apparently it's a hard one now, but at the time it was going to be soft.

I have said because they had one 6 years ago. I know things have changed and we're leaving the EU but still doesn't seem long enough to me. Should be for the next generation to decide imo.

 

Has Boris ever said why he won't allow another? I'd be interested to know as Cameron allowed one.

But one of the No campaign's strongest arguments was that voting No was the only way of being sure of staying in the EU. That is no longer the case. That is the key reason why a new vote is justified.

 

If Remain had won the referendum (or the government had the guts to admit that Leave only won by breaking the law and the leaving will be hugely damaging) then it would be a lot harder to justify a new vote barely five years after the last one.

Here's a Youtube video about an Independent Scotland joining the EU (admittedly it's quite old).

 

Spain would've blocked Scotland joining if they became independent 5 years ago, given their troublrs with Catalunya and how it might affect the fight for indelendence. But now that the UK is leaving, Scotland joining wouldn't set a precedent for Catalunya joining the EU.

 

I'm not sure why Italy and Belgium are mentioned. Sure there's a north south devision in both nations, but in Italy they're not very strong and in Belgium a possible split would be agreed upon by both sides

Spain has repeatedly said, on the record, that it would not block an independent Scotland joining the EU where independence is achieved through legal means. And that was the old right wing government.

Where does the SNP go from here then? They seem stuck in position and Johnson knows this and the longer passes from

now the less likely it'll happen as their support inevitably lessens as time moves on.

 

There really needs to be a clarification as to what should happen if one of the national legislators in Edinburgh, Belfast or Cardiff want a vote to break from the UK. In the GFA it was (purposely) left ambiguous so Westminster could take the lead and have a veto over it. Probably Sinn Feins biggest own goal of the GFA talks that a british(nearly always Tory) SOS will decide if 'conditions are preferable for a border poll'. Turkeys will never vote for Christmas after all.

 

Brexit is clearly a huge constitutional change which has (mainly) been pushed by English tories and so freedom should be given to campaign for a referendum in whatever National Assemblies want it.

 

There's 2 people bringing this to the courts in NI, a solicitor from County Down and victims campaigner Raymond McCord.

 

Should Scotland be an independent country? (YouGov, 22nd-27th January 2020):

 

Yes 51% (+7)

No 49% (-7)

 

49 years and under:

65% Yes

35% No

49 years and under:

65% Yes

35% No

Those young, naive 46-year-old students will come to their senses once they have some life experience.

If more and more opinion polls start showing a clearer lead for pro-independence, it would be completely un-democratic to refuse a second referendum to take place. I personally would prefer to wait a little longer for a point where it seems fairly certain Yes would win, as if No wins again it'll be a huge embarrassment for the SNP.