Without Bristol, this wouldn't be happening. There are already numerous things happening across the world — police budgets and policies changing, salary discrepancies being discussed and reviewed, board members stepping down, statues being removed, etc — thanks to direct action and protest.

 

Completely agree, which is why when people say 'now is not the time' they have fundamentally misunderstood the mood behind this movement.

 

Also I've just realised who John Boyega is (it was really bugging me) - I saw him in Woyzeck a couple of years ago at the Old Vic. Brilliant play ! I actually watched it the night of the 2017 GE, went back to my hotel and THAT exit poll came out- fun times. : )

I'm not sure I agree with the notion that Churchill was 'pro-European' as such he was more complex than that. He believed after WW2 that European cooperation was the only way of preventing future wars and his main reasoning was stopping the expansion of communist Russia after the war.

 

Let's face it though Churchill felt a lot more for British Imperialism than Britain being integrated into Europe and would have had more effinity with the belief in the Empire or Commonwealth and maintaining that. I wouldn't go as far as promoting that as an economic area (he opposed this 'protectionism' and joined the Liberals in 1903) but he certainly wanted to maintain empire at any cost whether it be in Ireland in 1920 or in India in 1947 (his main arguement with Labour leader Atlee was Atlees wish for self government there).

 

People forget that after the war Britain immediately voted Churchill and the Tories out of power even after the great churchill had led Britain out of its darkest hour. It's says a hell of a lot what the British people thought of Churchill and their memories of his other views between 1900-1932. He did successfully oppose the tired 'national government' through the 1930s as he foresaw the dangers occurring in Europe.

 

 

Completely agree, which is why when people say 'now is not the time' they have fundamentally misunderstood the mood behind this movement.

 

Also I've just realised who John Boyega is (it was really bugging me) - I saw him in Woyzeck a couple of years ago at the Old Vic. Brilliant play ! I actually watched it the night of the 2017 GE, went back to my hotel and THAT exit poll came out- fun times. : )

 

Fun times indeed :wub:

I went to a protest today and it was an eye-opening experience. So much admiration for those who had the courage to speak and I appreciate them sharing their experiences. It was also really heartwarming to see everyone standing united, even with the downpour of rain, and so many white faces there too.

 

There's a lot of people on my social media judging these protests or they're unsure about them - the best thing to do is go along to one and see for yourself. That's what I did and it's was so worthwhile.

Completely agree, which is why when people say 'now is not the time' they have fundamentally misunderstood the mood behind this movement.

 

Also I've just realised who John Boyega is (it was really bugging me) - I saw him in Woyzeck a couple of years ago at the Old Vic. Brilliant play ! I actually watched it the night of the 2017 GE, went back to my hotel and THAT exit poll came out- fun times. : )

 

They say now is not the time because of the coronavirus pandemic and the risk of the virus spreading through there being big crowds at the protests. I wouldn't completely agree with them as I completely support with the socially distanced protests just not the non socially distanced ones. There was a poll over the statue, is or was there any polls over whether most people support the non socially distanced protests, that would be interesting to see.

I am sure criticisms against the protesters - this time far right ones doing Nazi salutes in front of the Cenotaph - about respecting social distancing and attacking the police will come from the exact same people as the criticisms last weekend.

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I am sure criticisms against the protesters - this time far right ones doing Nazi salutes in front of the Cenotaph - about respecting social distancing and attacking the police will come from the exact same people as the criticisms last weekend.

 

I'm sure.

 

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Nazi salutes to defend the cenotaph — why not.

I know I shouldn’t be surprised but it’s still blowing my mind seeing so many people caring more about statues than the lives of black people and racism.

They LOVE to point out the criminal past of George Floyd and all the black on black crime statistics etc but can turn a blind eye to literal slavery and genocide that so many of the people the statues represent were part of

Utterly disgusting protests in London today, I’ll never get that mindset.

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Yeah, makes sense.

Fascists, er, nationalists love perceived threats - makes it very easy to simultaneously paint their enemies as dangerous and pathetic at the same time.

Thuggery of Britain.

But this is a real problem for England, there's far too many of these 'football lads'/violent thugs/white supremacist people in our society that both really harm BAME people and women whenever they get involved in protests, and are themselves getting exploited by far-right demagogues who whip up hate as a plugging gap for the problems in their lives. How many of the people who go out to do Nazi salutes to protect a Churchill statue have a comfortable life themselves?

 

Without overly pandering to them, we need to deradicalise any of these who can be deradicalised, it will make society far more liveable for all of us. Yes, everywhere has its violent elements but it is a problem that must be challenged.

They're absolute w*n**rs of the highest orders, it's not even a protest it's just a day out. I didn't agree with the timing of the BLM protests, but in hindsight, I also take on board 'when is a good time' and it does appear as if they are going to bring the first steps towards some change, which is great. I don't agree with trying to forget our past etc. which is bit of a byproduct of everything, but I don't necessarily think that's the BLM movement.

 

 

Wow, I always felt living in London that we were a very tolerant, diverse and accepting city in comparison to a lot of the UK. This is truly sickening to see.

Wow, I always felt living in London that we were a very tolerant, diverse and accepting city in comparison to a lot of the UK. This is truly sickening to see.

 

My guess would be that a large number of them have travelled from around the country for a pleasant day out.

 

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These people are not football fans. These people ruin football for football fans. Basically their 'firms'.

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Could be some arrests after 5pm when they've all to disperse and go home. Sky News talking to a few who said they're going nowhere.

These people are not football fans. These people ruin football for football fans. Basically their 'firms'.

 

Of course they are not. Just like with hooliganism across Europe these people are more interested in make-believe violence than football, it's just a cover to justify their behaviour. Sad scenes. Same reason why most football related violence happens abroad, all these hooligans are widely banned from every football ground across the country.

 

Like many have said it's just a day out.