According to sources The Netherlands, Portugal and Sweden are not on the list of 50+ countries that won't need quarantine when arriving in England

Scottish Gov said the list changed as of this morning. It’s traffic light colour coded and because Scotland has already reduced the incidence to a quite low rate, they’re unlikely to let Orange countries in without quarantine and are likely to lift for green countries. All still to be confirmed as they only got the list today and have to review it in the light of a lower infection rate in Scotland than in England.

 

 

Scottish and Welsh govs launched a simultaneous attack on the UK Gov over this calling the decision making shambolic and taking aim over the UK gov trying to throw the devolved administrations under the bus for not just blindly agreeing to what Dom wanted

 

Are you guys okay.

 

With regard to masks - either everyone wears them or it's pointless.

 

You may stop YOURself potentially spreading it but if just 1 person is infected and not wearing a mask, well it's game over.

Traffic lights are so sensible! UK (England) should have adopted those from the start in order to make it clear to people.

 

The people going to the pubs from tomorrow absolutely baffle me to be honest. At least hold off a week to see if people start getting ill from going. The alkies will be the first people through the doors and will be uncontrollable in terms of keeping distance.

Some ppl live for the pub, I can sympathise with them wanting to go asap, particularly if we don't know when the next lockdown will happen. Get in there whilst you can! As long as they're not overtly flouting the guidelines...

 

On the flipside, ppl have managed without the pub for over 3 months so surely an extra couple more weeks won't hurt.

Traffic lights are so sensible! UK (England) should have adopted those from the start in order to make it clear to people.

 

The people going to the pubs from tomorrow absolutely baffle me to be honest. At least hold off a week to see if people start getting ill from going. The alkies will be the first people through the doors and will be uncontrollable in terms of keeping distance.

 

I've started listening to the Grounded with Louis Theroux podcasts and him and Chris Dowd talked about people coming out of lockdown with almost a PTSD effect and feeling like you've lost a limb without losing one. I honestly think they hit the nail on the head for a lot of people, you're seeing people take rash decisions and choices because they feel like they have lost out and are almost making up for lost time.

 

I'm OK with going to a pub or resturaunt, but I'll give it a swerve this weekend. Staff need a soft opening to get used to the changes.

Sturgeon and Drakeford not holding back, and who can blame them?

 

I’m not opposed to pubs reopening safely but this weekend will likely be shambolic in English pubs. It’s just so foolish to reopen on a Saturday. Wales are reopening pubs on a Monday which feels a bit more sensible because people won’t go mad on the first night if they have to work the next day.

 

Wales is lifting travel restrictions on Monday which actually seems well timed as people in England will be too distracted by pubs to venture over the border to beauty spots for ‘exercise’.

Yeh, I’m fine with pubs reopening but opening up on a Saturday is idiotic. Hopefully, our expectations of it being similar to New Year’s Eve is wrong but I very much have my doubts! I know a lot of places are choosing to open at a later date however.

I don't think it matters personally. Open them on Monday, the desperate crowd would still go head over heels regardless of it being a work night. I don't think they'll be that more rammed than they would be normally. Those who are exercising caution will use their own judgment and just not go.

I am of the opinion that announcing a big reopening at all is foolish, puts too much capacity on one day. I haven't seen anywhere else in the world do anything like it (with the exception of certain American states, Florida and Texas have had to reverse their own reopenings!), and the government will clearly just put the blame back on the public if there's a spike.

 

I mean:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53205720

And in Texas, which has also seen record numbers of cases this week, Governor Greg Abbott told bars to close and limited restaurants' indoor seating capacity to 50%. Restaurants had previously been allowed to operate at 75% capacity, and bars at 50%.

 

"If I could go back and redo anything, it probably would have been to slow down the re-opening of bars," the governor told an ABC News affiliate KIVA.com on Friday.

 

People "go to bars to get close and to drink and to socialise, and that's the kind of thing that stokes the spread of the coronavirus," he added.

 

I hope people remain sensible but from the arrangements I've heard of from looking around the net, seems like too many are preparing for a bumper night.

I think the problem with pubs opening tomorrow is due to a few reasons.

 

#1. Pubs are opening at 6am.

#2. Tomorrow being dubbed as "Super Saturday", as if suddenly there are no more worries about Covid-19 and that everyone should go down the pub for a nice drink. Irresponsible.

#3. The British Public - you bet there will be many boozing it up tomorrow and being irresponsible. I would not be surprised to see A&E admissions increase a lot over this weekend.

#4. There's quite a lot of football on, which may bring out people in droves.

 

Not looking forward to what's going to happen tomorrow. I just hope I'm wrong and people are sensible about it. But we'll likely see pictures/videos of pubs being packed.

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Yeah I agree with that side, good old media hyping it up as a HUGE CELEBRATORY DAY :rolleyes:

 

Plus as I mentioned there'll be a lot of folk maybe thinking another (possibly local) lockdown isn't too far away so will go hell for leather whilst the pubs are open to "get their fix"

I don't think it matters personally. Open them on Monday, the desperate crowd would still go head over heels regardless of it being a work night. I don't think they'll be that more rammed than they would be normally. Those who are exercising caution will use their own judgment and just not go.

 

While I agree it would be busy whenever they opened, a Monday night is still nowhere near as busy as Saturday night and certainly not in the day when most are at work, whereas on Saturday, when everyone's off it could easily be busy all day especially with football on. A weekday opening when they're less busy could've at least allowed the businesses to adjust before the busiest period so they were ready for it. It's just so transparently prioritising the day that will give them the most moneyu.

 

The media hype I agree isn't helping either, I'm pretty certain the start will be a complete travesty and that's why I'm not going despite being asked. We can only hope the doubtless awful pictures that will circulate will lead to better regulations forming over the weeks.

Grant Shapps' criticism of the Scottish and Welsh administrations yesterday could be summarised as him having a go at them for not doing what they were told.

#1. Pubs are opening at 6am.

I agree with the rest of the points but this point is only if the pubs are licensed to which I doubt many outside of airports are

I agree with the rest of the points but this point is only if the pubs are licensed to which I doubt many outside of airports are

Saw someone on twitter point out it might have been to prevent pubs with late licenses from opening at midnight for a couple of hours

 

 

Which would be unusually smart for the Gov

 

Edit: From PM Spokesman, so gov actually was unusually smart

 

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Money is one reason English pubs are reopening on a Saturday. Another is so that they can have the big celebration and so that morons will hail Boris as their hero for giving the ‘people’ what they want.

I think the problem with pubs opening tomorrow is due to a few reasons.

 

#1. Pubs are opening at 6am.

#2. Tomorrow being dubbed as "Super Saturday", as if suddenly there are no more worries about Covid-19 and that everyone should go down the pub for a nice drink. Irresponsible.

#3. The British Public - you bet there will be many boozing it up tomorrow and being irresponsible. I would not be surprised to see A&E admissions increase a lot over this weekend.

#4. There's quite a lot of football on, which may bring out people in droves.

 

Not looking forward to what's going to happen tomorrow. I just hope I'm wrong and people are sensible about it. But we'll likely see pictures/videos of pubs being packed.

 

Pubs are only opening at 6am, as Silas states which is because the Government are worried people will just open at 12.01am. I think the pubs that open are going to open at 6am will be very small, surely it's not cost effective at all..

 

I totally agree with the way some of the media are dubbing it "Super Saturday" - load of rubbish. I'm pretty sure pubs and bars aren't allowed to show sport nor are they allowed to play music. I could be wrong but I've seen it mentioned by a few people.

 

Isn't the more police than NYE comment made for Leicester? Again, I could be wrong but I read it as in they were on the streets in Leicester ahead of pubs either illegally re--opening or people trying to go to Nottingham etc.

 

Most of the big chain bars certainly in City Centres are having fixed amount of time people can be in bars, maximum amount of drinks, only a set number of drinks at any one time. I think the trouble is going to come from people expecting to walk in to a bar and expect to be served a pint in 10 seconds rather than 10 minutes or from your local pubs where there is less likely to follow the rules..

People are actually courageous enough to go to pubs or even worse, night clubs?

Night clubs I doubt will be opening for a good while still yet. Absolutely impossible to socially distance in those. But to pubs and restaurants, personally yes.