Calls now for a total ban on all alcohol sales from shops and off-licences after 10pm. Some say it should be 9pm to stop drinkers leaving pubs and partying at home. Won't they just buy it earlier in the day though?

The student situation really is shocking, they are literally being held prisoners. What should be being the best time of their life is turning into the worst AND they're paying a shitload for it. Disgusting treatment, no due care whatsoever for their wellbeing. It's hits harder home for me as I've experienced the thrill & joy of a proper first semester experience! They'll never get to re-experience it neither which is so disappointing.

Calls now for a total ban on all alcohol sales from shops and off-licences after 10pm. Some say it should be 9pm to stop drinkers leaving pubs and partying at home. Won't they just buy it earlier in the day though?

 

This 10PM cut-off nonsense is absolutely stupid. They've made the situation worse than it would be had they not stuck their oar in! Those scenes in Liverpool were 1000% predictable.

The worst thing about the 10pm cutoff seems to be that it releases people in big groups together, which is absolutely not what you want. Like if it were a plan to mess stuff up without doing anything of note, that is what you'd do.

 

Closing off-licences at the same time would mitigate that a little as it'd do something to disperse the crowds - it doesn't matter if they buy it earlier in the day, what you'd want is for people to be going there throughout if they REALLY MUST get their binge on.

 

really f***ing feeling it for the students, I would not be happy that I'd be getting such little value for my money to be essentially imprisoned.

 

Yes but some normal people as you call them wouldn't ever get a mortgage to pay for any property. They're totally reliant on renting. Some choose to rent when they could perhaps buy. Not working or no stable work record, sick or disabled, no deposit, low income, no way can they get a loan. We couldn't until her employer kindly gave us a private mortgage at a very low interest rate.

 

Sounds like mortgages need to be another part of the system that's also overhauled so they can be more accessible then. If the price comes down because there aren't landlord sharks buying up property then so would the price of a mortgage anyway.

Eeek...

 

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I'm not convinced that a curfew is a good idea at all although I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise. What definitely doesn't seem to be working, as others have said, is having a blanket cut-off time applying to so many places. Making it so strict (i.e. no drinking-up time) just adds to the problem.

 

Once again, it is all too predictable. The government has been criticised in recent days for not having any behavioural scientists on the Sage committee, but it doesn't really need any great expertise to guess that closing a large number of places at the same time will lead to hundreds of people emerging from these places all at once. It's not rocket science; it isn't even advanced behavioural science.

 

It is very tempting to conclude that it is designed to be yet another way of blaming "the people" rather than the government when it all goes horribly wrong.

Eeek...

 

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They've just announced that the bars WILL be closing at 10.

Belgium added a curfew to Antwerp a while back and that worked, but not as a standalone measure

Well it wasn't a tenable position really was it? The curfew thing is really odd, it's like you say almost a deliberately half-arsed attempt to take control of the spread of Covid-19 (it worked in Belgium apparently) so as to take the focus off the incompetence of the complete lack of a reliable track/trace/isolate system and instead blame the public.

 

Surely, mandating WFH much more strictly would be a far better way of reducing spread.

I'm not convinced that a curfew is a good idea at all although I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise. What definitely doesn't seem to be working, as others have said, is having a blanket cut-off time applying to so many places. Making it so strict (i.e. no drinking-up time) just adds to the problem.

 

Once again, it is all too predictable. The government has been criticised in recent days for not having any behavioural scientists on the Sage committee, but it doesn't really need any great expertise to guess that closing a large number of places at the same time will lead to hundreds of people emerging from these places all at once. It's not rocket science; it isn't even advanced behavioural science.

 

It is very tempting to conclude that it is designed to be yet another way of blaming "the people" rather than the government when it all goes horribly wrong.

 

There's an article running in the times that Sunak threatened to resign after some of the more drastic economic policies were drafted about. It suggests the 10pm curfew is a way of appeasing business owners, but it also gives the Government the chance to blame everything on the people. I think the policy is a good idea in practice, but it does suggest that it's just a temporary measure before some other measures.

 

Anyway for me, just reading some articles I was shocked that only 18% people self-isolate when given a positive test result. Isn't this really where we need to change behaviour? It doesn't matter what measures we have, if people aren't isolating when they have the virus then we're all going to fuked.

Calls now for a total ban on all alcohol sales from shops and off-licences after 10pm. Some say it should be 9pm to stop drinkers leaving pubs and partying at home. Won't they just buy it earlier in the day though?

Took me a minute to remember that there are no restrictions on off-licence sales in England. Should have remembered given I lived there for 3 years. It was the nice counterbalance to the stupid Sunday shopping hours.

 

 

Alcohol sales are already limited to between 10am and 10pm in Scotland. Everyone just buys booze earlier. Or make a mad dash to the offie or Tesco at 9:50pm and sprints round the joint to get it through the till before 10pm. Has no impact on parties or anything.

The student situation really is shocking, they are literally being held prisoners. What should be being the best time of their life is turning into the worst AND they're paying a shitload for it. Disgusting treatment, no due care whatsoever for their wellbeing. It's hits harder home for me as I've experienced the thrill & joy of a proper first semester experience! They'll never get to re-experience it neither which is so disappointing.

 

I do feel sorry for those students who have abided by the Covid rules only to find themselves in enforced quarantine anyway. Unfortunately quarantine is required in that situation, just like in that hotel in Tenerife at the start of the pandemic. The alternative is possible increased community spread within the town which could lead to deaths if someone in one of the vulnerable categories gets the virus.

 

Of course it would have been a lot better if it hadn't have been given the go-ahead for students to be in the halls where the virus could spread in the first place but instead could have studied at home using online resources. Its no substitute for in person learning and an issue is of course they have paid a lot for their course and wouldn't have received in person learning which is superior to online learning but its better than the current situation I think.

Edited September 28, 20204 yr by Garden Snake

Our alcohol curfew is 10pm but the bars are allowed to stay open until 11pm. I just assumed that was how most places were doing it. Gives people time to finish their last drink, I haven't been going to bars at all but would guess that's working better than what the UK's doing.

Now over a million deaths worldwide and 2 million possible, according to Sky News.

In other unbelievable news, days after forcibly imprisoning students with private security just on the offchance they come across an old person on their once weekly trip to the supermarket, given they were already banned from cafes, bars and pubs, news comes today that 'forcing' over 65s to themselves shield is akin to 'age-based apartheid'.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/se...boss-says-covid

 

Am I living in crazy land right now?

BORIS Johnson will give a rare joint coronavirus press conference tomorrow with Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance for the first time in weeks, as new infections have continued to soar.

 

The PM will deliver another update on the second wave now gripping Britain as fears grow over even stricter national measures to come.

 

He got himself tongue-tied today and in a right tizzy when trying to explain the new rules for the NE. Was very amusing as basically he hadn't a clue "6 inside, 6 outside, 6 here or 6 there" Was forced to apologise later and claimed he got a bit confused but to me he sounded like he hadn't a clue.

Edited September 29, 20204 yr by Crazy Chris

another day of waking up early and go to work for a measly $150k :(

BORIS Johnson will give a rare joint coronavirus press conference tomorrow with Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance for the first time in weeks, as new infections have continued to soar.

 

The PM will deliver another update on the second wave now gripping Britain as fears grow over even stricter national measures to come.

 

He got himself tonue-tied today and in a right tizzy when trying to explain the new rules for the NE. Was very amusing as basically he hadn't a clue "6 inside, 6 outside, 66 here or there" LMAO. He is funny isn't he?

yes, people dying makes me laugh too

another day of waking up early and go to work for a measly $150k :(

 

Is that what you earn? :o

yes, people dying makes me laugh too

 

 

Have you heard it though? It's as if he was doing it on purpose but don't think he was. Maybe funny isn't the word. I meant his bumbling ways when speaking, not particularly what he said.

Edited September 29, 20204 yr by Crazy Chris