January 29, 20214 yr Never mind less rich countries getting vaccinated, France is going to have all hell on with their own President being a dozy prick Macron on AZ/Oxford: “Today everything suggests that it is almost ineffective for those over 65, and some say over 60.” https://www.ft.com/content/9002da7d-6616-33...ae34#post-60129 Hours later, the EMA regulator says its effective. Absolute moron, this is the sort of shite our government officials would have anhiliated for. Unless the EMA has extra data, all that can be said is that there is insufficient data to say one way or t'other. Macron is certainly wrong to suggest that it is ineffective although I'm sure a British minister would face no consequences for making such a daft statement.
January 29, 20214 yr Unless the EMA has extra data, all that can be said is that there is insufficient data to say one way or t'other. Macron is certainly wrong to suggest that it is ineffective although I'm sure a British minister would face no consequences for making such a daft statement. There is not enough data to be certain, but I think you'd have to be pretty bonkers to say it is not effective. Germany have taken a cautious approach, which is fair enough to wait for data. That is light and day between your medical bodies saying we need to wait for more data, than your President saying it is basically worthless, which of course, is complete rubbish. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/ja...ndroidApp_Other This is a really interesting article too. The first half is fairly boring and a little bit too-Brexity, but the second half is really interesting in terms of the current politicsl climate.
January 29, 20214 yr The data does say it’s ineffective. It just that when you take into account the sample size it’s statistically meaningless. Not technically a wrong take, but not a right one either
January 29, 20214 yr The data does say it’s ineffective. It just that when you take into account the sample size it’s statistically meaningless. Not technically a wrong take, but not a right one either but there is a high likelihood the vaccine is extremely effective in the over 65s, otherwise why would the EU be kicking up such a fuss over a vaccine which is ineffective in the most vulnerable? Anyway the irony in our Brexit deal being shoddy and the EU actually being the ones to break the Good Friday Agreement! As I've said before, I am pro-EU and can only assume they are being twattish to protect their domestic audience. Clearly everyone is going mad, probably a small price to pay pissing off an ex-member state.
January 29, 20214 yr but there is a high likelihood the vaccine is extremely effective in the over 65s, otherwise why would the EU be kicking up such a fuss over a vaccine which is ineffective in the most vulnerable? Anyway the irony in our Brexit deal being shoddy and the EU actually being the ones to break the Good Friday Agreement! As I've said before, I am pro-EU and can only assume they are being twattish to protect their domestic audience. Clearly everyone is going mad, probably a small price to pay pissing off an ex-member state. Given the data I've seen, the only way it could be ineffective for over-65s is for it to be almost 100% effective for younger people with its effectiveness falling steadily as people get older. That would mean that it wouldn't be particularly effective for people over about 55. As no data have been published to suggest that, it's probably not the case. It is certainly almost unthinkable that it could be fine for most 64-year-olds but suddenly becomes next to useless on a person's 65th birthday. The EU and UK are both being overly stubborn and playing to domestic audiences. As I've already said, I put most of the blame on AstraZeneca. With luck, the two vaccines that in the news this week will soon be approved so that the whole AZ saga can be laid to rest. Equally, if AZ allowed other companies to manufacture their vaccine, that would help. It was reported earlier this week that two French trials have produced disappointing results. That potentially means two companies who now have spare capacity to manufacture the AZ vaccine.
January 29, 20214 yr ITV has cancelled this year's Britain's Got Talent. :( This is the the VERY least of our problems. We have a funny-haired man who can’t string a sentence together running our country.
January 29, 20214 yr This is the the VERY least of our problems. We have a funny-haired man who can’t string a sentence together running our country. To be fair, his hair isn't that important. I've a feeling Eurovision will bite the dust too.
January 29, 20214 yr To be fair, his hair isn't that important. I've a feeling Eurovision will bite the dust too. His hair must be fairly important given it was the first thing on the list of reasons people like/voted for him that you posted just the other day.
January 29, 20214 yr It’s looking more and more likely we are gonna have an effective two tier world. One where there is a vaccinated population free to circulate but with the global south cut off over variants that are vaccine resistant until the jags are adapted or case numbers are brought under control in an elimination strategy in the impacted areas. Not great for global prosperity. Is jags the German term for jabs? I was guilty of thinking becuase of the daily case and death figures probably like many that the developing world haven't been as impacted by Covid as the developed world apart from a few countries (India, Mexico, Brazil and S Africa are technically not part of the developing world any more). But Covid restrictions that are required so they don't become very badly affected by covid still have a massive negative impact on their economies plus any parts of the world where the vaccine hasn't been widely distributed are going to keep having the risk of seeing new varients. Edited January 29, 20214 yr by ElevenSnake
January 29, 20214 yr Given the data I've seen, the only way it could be ineffective for over-65s is for it to be almost 100% effective for younger people with its effectiveness falling steadily as people get older. That would mean that it wouldn't be particularly effective for people over about 55. As no data have been published to suggest that, it's probably not the case. It is certainly almost unthinkable that it could be fine for most 64-year-olds but suddenly becomes next to useless on a person's 65th birthday. The EU and UK are both being overly stubborn and playing to domestic audiences. As I've already said, I put most of the blame on AstraZeneca. With luck, the two vaccines that in the news this week will soon be approved so that the whole AZ saga can be laid to rest. Equally, if AZ allowed other companies to manufacture their vaccine, that would help. It was reported earlier this week that two French trials have produced disappointing results. That potentially means two companies who now have spare capacity to manufacture the AZ vaccine. I don't think any blame can be atested to the UK here at all (for once). This is purely between the UK and AstraZeneca with the UK in the middle of it. I suppose the difference is that privately we might have a different opinion, but publically at least we haven't get involved. I totally agree with the mentality if they have a problem, we have a problem though. Look I am very pro-EU here but this is also a massive play to the domestic audience. By pure luck we have managed to finance and be right at the front of the vaccine queue. Farage is going to licking his lips over this, the EU are looking like a tinpot dictator. I don't believe any vaccines are currently manufactured in Ireland but it doesn't say much about the confidence in Ireland! Sounds like the Irish Government ate rightly pissed at the EU. Sky are reporting France are going to close their borders to all non-EU countries too. This is all going to get ugly very quickly with regards to trade. Is jags the German term for jabs? I was guilty of thinking becuase of the daily case and death figures probably like many that the developing world haven't been as impacted by Covid as the developed world apart from a few countries (India, Mexico, Brazil and S Africa are technically not part of the developing world any more). But Covid restrictions that are required so they don't become very badly affected by covid still have a massive negative impact on their economies plus any parts of the world where the vaccine hasn't been widely distributed are going to keep having the risk of seeing new varients. I think the issue with some of the poorer countries is they don't have the resources to be able to detect covid, so who knows what is going on. 1st and 2nd world countries still are not testing enough or publishing all the data so you can only imagine what it could be like in other countries.
January 29, 20214 yr Author In other EU absolutely f****** things up news - @1355164987212390402 Oops! Now that really is a complete fail, the EU have basically voided their contract there haven't they ?
January 29, 20214 yr In other EU absolutely f****** things up news - @1355164987212390402 This is like something we would do. Honestly, the EU have gone completely mad on this one.
January 29, 20214 yr Is jags the German term for jabs? No??? It’s a British one. I’ve used it my whole life. What rock do you live under?
January 29, 20214 yr No??? It’s a British one. I’ve used it my whole life. What rock do you live under? Tbh I've never heard of jags being a thing. I assumed it was an autocorrect from "jabs" that you weren't changing. :lol:
January 29, 20214 yr Over 400,000 people vaccinated today. I'm interested to see how high the numbers will be over the next few days. Until the snow disruption it looked like they were going to reach 500-600,000 people being vaccinated daily. But in saying that there's the potential for disruptive snow once again on Saturday and Sunday.
January 29, 20214 yr Over 400,000 people vaccinated today. I'm interested to see how high the numbers will be over the next few days. Until the snow disruption it looked like they were going to reach 500-600,000 people being vaccinated daily. But in saying that there's the potential for disruptive snow once again on Saturday and Sunday. Usually like snow but now there's a. the fact the vaccine might be held up because of it and b. all those people breaking the social distancing guidelines when we last got snow. So NO to more snow this winter! :nocheer:
January 29, 20214 yr No??? It’s a British one. I’ve used it my whole life. What rock do you live under? Only Jags I've known is the group from around 1979, sung Back Of My Hand.
January 29, 20214 yr Over 400,000 people vaccinated today. I'm interested to see how high the numbers will be over the next few days. Until the snow disruption it looked like they were going to reach 500-600,000 people being vaccinated daily. But in saying that there's the potential for disruptive snow once again on Saturday and Sunday. Still, 400k is very good though.
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