Because we have no idea what covid can do to younger people. The idea that we can just let COVID rip through those under 40 is madness. They reckon 1 in 10 people suffer from long covid. So think about it strategically- more people will be using the NHS, which leads to greater stress on the balance. I suspect what is probably happening is they’re managing expectations- this idea that when the vulnerable are vaccinated, we will go free for all again. Everyone wants to get back on with their lives but there’s a difference this time which looks like they’re going to be more careful and hopefully this will be the last lockdown we have to do with covid.

 

It seems that the young are going to be vaccinated from August-September time before the vulnerable are vaccinated again in the winter, this gives us the best shot of lessening the impact of covid by having larger immunity when it’s at its strongest.

BIB - Hasn't Covid been around for a year now?

 

I guess it looks like the propaganda and manipulation has worked then if we now have to wait til the younger generation are vaccinated before we can start getting back to normal...until there's a mysterious new strain introduced and/or more vaccines needed. We'll be locked up for five years and there'll still be people claiming it's to 'SavE lIvEs!!1".

 

The way you're describing Covid as if it's something like rabies where it's a death sentence if you catch it. The overwhelming majority of people who have Covid recover with zero to mild symptoms and get back on with their lives. It's only a tiny minority (and even then in this group it's typically elderly and the vulnerable) who develop anything serious and require NHS support. I'm not downplaying the struggles of the NHS nor the severity of the symptoms of the virus at all - I've saw the ICU wards and know it's serious - but again these are the MINORITY. The country has basically been shut down for a year and millions have lost their jobs and businesses, we have a mental health crisis, rise in suicides, rise in domestic violence, people plunging into debt and poverty, people haven't saw their loved ones and the economy is shrinking! Why do we need to lock up fit and healthy young adults for longer than 12 months for a virus where the overwhelming majority of cases have no symptoms?

 

We cannot stay in lockdown forever. Have you read the comments on social media underneath any mention of a vaccine? Not everyone wants to take it. Are we going to ban these people from society, or wait until they're persauded to get the jab so we can come out of lockdown?

 

We were told to stay home to protect the vulnerable and elderly, if they're vaccinated then let us get on with our lives. If the vaccine doesn't even prevent transmission or give you immunity then it shouldn't be used as a method of blackmail by employers to have it so staff can keep their jobs, nor should a dystopian 'vaccine passport' be introduced.

I don’t understand how it’s propaganda and conspiracy regarding Covid when I normally get into from virologists and scientists??

We were told to stay home to protect the vulnerable and elderly, if they're vaccinated then let us get on with our lives.

 

The trouble is, allowing the virus to spread leads to mutations which are unpredictable.

 

Exhibit A: Spanish flu (1918)

 

Reported cases of Spanish flu dropped off over the summer of 1918, and there was hope at the beginning of August that the virus had run its course. In retrospect, it was only the calm before the storm. Somewhere in Europe, a mutated strain of the Spanish flu virus had emerged that had the power to kill a perfectly healthy young man or woman within 24 hours of showing the first signs of infection.

Exhibit B: Brazil, Covid-19 (2021)

 

This new one has both the more infectious N501Y mutation (not affect vaccine), as well as the disruptive E484K mutation that escapes neutralizing antibodies.

 

Arguably - not aiming for Zero Covid or as close to it, may lead to a longer period of hokey-cokey Lockdowns.

BIB - Hasn't Covid been around for a year now?

 

I guess it looks like the propaganda and manipulation has worked then if we now have to wait til the younger generation are vaccinated before we can start getting back to normal...until there's a mysterious new strain introduced and/or more vaccines needed. We'll be locked up for five years and there'll still be people claiming it's to 'SavE lIvEs!!1".

 

The way you're describing Covid as if it's something like rabies where it's a death sentence if you catch it. The overwhelming majority of people who have Covid recover with zero to mild symptoms and get back on with their lives. It's only a tiny minority (and even then in this group it's typically elderly and the vulnerable) who develop anything serious and require NHS support. I'm not downplaying the struggles of the NHS nor the severity of the symptoms of the virus at all - I've saw the ICU wards and know it's serious - but again these are the MINORITY. The country has basically been shut down for a year and millions have lost their jobs and businesses, we have a mental health crisis, rise in suicides, rise in domestic violence, people plunging into debt and poverty, people haven't saw their loved ones and the economy is shrinking! Why do we need to lock up fit and healthy young adults for longer than 12 months for a virus where the overwhelming majority of cases have no symptoms?

 

We cannot stay in lockdown forever. Have you read the comments on social media underneath any mention of a vaccine? Not everyone wants to take it. Are we going to ban these people from society, or wait until they're persauded to get the jab so we can come out of lockdown?

 

We were told to stay home to protect the vulnerable and elderly, if they're vaccinated then let us get on with our lives. If the vaccine doesn't even prevent transmission or give you immunity then it shouldn't be used as a method of blackmail by employers to have it so staff can keep their jobs, nor should a dystopian 'vaccine passport' be introduced.

 

I know, but I am also one of then many people who have been impacted by covid indirectly but I have also thought to myself in the recent weeks, this cannot be for nothing. The reality is schools will open in 4-6 weeks and then we will work backwards. What everyone forgets is a lot of people who require hospitalisations are not going to be vaccinated. The virus spreads like wildfire currently and like you say, not everyone is going to take the vaccine so you're still gonna have people in hospitals dying. Therefore it makes more sense for it to be harder for the virus to spread so it dies in 2-3 chains of transmission, rather than 20-30 as it currently is. Basically the more people that are protected and immunised, the better we have of stopping the virus in its tracks.

 

By the time the younger population get vaccinated we will have a much better idea if it stops transmitting. 5-10% of people who catch it are getting longer term symptoms, who knows what this does to your body longer term, it's all guess work right now. It could be nothing, but it could increase your chances of dementia or a heart attack for example or developing ME. People of our generation also forget that one day we are gonna be old too and covid might kill us off.

 

Winter is gonna be shocking as February will be largely as it is now, but by Easter things will be a lot more normal. The virus is clearly seasonal too so that will help matters.

 

Sky News saying the vaccination program is going so well that letters for over 75's should be starting to go out later next week.

 

That's good news.

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Reading the announcement from Boris yesterday, is he now suggesting restrictions will have to stay in place to 'protect the young' now?

Goalposts changing again. Wasn't the point of these lockdowns to protect the elderly and vulnerable? Surely if they're vaccinated the younger generation can get back on with their lives?

 

I think one enough over 50s and people with underlying health conditions are vaccinated then they will pretty much open up the economy fully (that's of course presuming there isn't a vaccine resistant mutation of the virus widespread before then). It is pro-capitalist Conservatives in government after all and I am sure they would want to have the economy back open the vulnerable groups are protected.

London's Pimlico Plumbers will introduce a “no jab, no job” policy requiring all of its workers to be vaccinated against Covid-19.

 

Charlie Mullins, Pimlico’s founder and former chief executive, now chairman, said the company’s lawyers were drafting new employment contracts for its 400-strong workforce to include the vaccine requirement, although employment lawyers questioned whether it would be legally enforceable.

 

Pimlico Plumbers are very expensive so wouldn't have them anyway. We've had astronomical quotes. :rolleyes: How can you get a jab if it's not your turn though? Can you pay for one privately?

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by common sense

London's Pimlico Plumbers will introduce a “no jab, no job” policy requiring all of its workers to be vaccinated against Covid-19.

 

Charlie Mullins, Pimlico’s founder and former chief executive, now chairman, said the company’s lawyers were drafting new employment contracts for its 400-strong workforce to include the vaccine requirement, although employment lawyers questioned whether it would be legally enforceable.

 

Probably only a matter of time before there's anti-vax protests claiming that people are being discriminated against if they don't take the vaccine.

Probably only a matter of time before there's anti-vax protests claiming that people are being discriminated against if they don't take the vaccine.

 

 

 

There will surely be. I foresee some court cases maybe too. Biggest private plumbing company in London by far.

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Pimlico Plumbers are very expensive so wouldn't have them anyway. We've had astronomical quotes. :rolleyes: How can you get a jab if it's not your turn though? Can you pay for one privately?

I think the government has said they won't be allowing people to jump the queue with as cheque book - and rightly so.

Laurence Fox got trolled on Twitter for bragging about his exemption badge. If you go on his Twitter, he brags about covid being a hoax, he’s a so-called anti-lockdown activist, anti-vaxxer, anti-masker and he slags off the NHS. He’s basically insulting people who genuinely are exempt

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Laurence Fox is a pathetic waste of skin who is trying desperately hard to become the new Katie Hopkins.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any sense of the word but 'long covid' seems like a very convenient apparition from the both sides lobby.

 

The media, desperate to portray every conceivable issue as actually not just affecting or being caused by one group of people, has throughout the pandemic actively concealed the fact that the VAST majority of deaths are people who are either 1) very old 2) already very unwell or 3) both.

 

The stories that get the most traction and airtime (or paper time, in the newspapers) are the freak 5 to 50 cases out of 80,000 where the unlucky person has been an athlete, or a hero firefighter or teacher etc.

 

Then as soon as it seems impossible to deny the impact on older and vulnerable people covid is having, up pops long covid - which seems in practical terms pretty indistinguishable from any other kind of post-viral fatigue - to show that ACTUALLY ANYONE is EQUALLY at risk of covid, not just older and vulnerable people - against all existing statistics that are conveniently brushed under the carpet.

 

Now, I don't think it's all a ploy for social control or whatever, but I've been uncomfortable throughout how media stories that have little to no basis in actual fact or scientific observation, puff pieces, are then being taken on by the government as justification for draconian measures - while other things actually happening in the country like domestic violence and poverty caused by poorly-planned lockdowns (caveat; I am not saying lockdowns are INHERENTLY poorly-planned, just that the UK's seem often to miss out on a lot of forms of support and mitigation) are swept under the carpet and treated like they don't exist.

 

In short, let's see the peer-reviewed research and base policy on that, please, rather than soundbites.

Laurence Fox got trolled on Twitter for bragging about his exemption badge. If you go on his Twitter, he brags about covid being a hoax, he’s a so-called anti-lockdown activist, anti-vaxxer, anti-masker and he slags off the NHS. He’s basically insulting people who genuinely are exempt

 

 

You can buy those badges for 25p. :o

This is a bit worrying.

 

From Sky News.

 

Ice cream has been found to have been contaminated with COVID-19 in China after three samples tested positive for the virus.

 

Anti-epidemic authorities in north China's Tianjin Municipality are tracing people who may have been in contact with the batches, which were produced by Tianjin Daqiaodao Food Company.

 

All of the products produced by the firm have been sealed and contained after the samples it sent to the municipal centre for disease control this week tested positive for coronavirus.

 

 

Edited January 17, 20214 yr by common sense

My mum got her 1st dose of the vaccine this evening, so delighted that the circles of vaccination are coming closer to myself.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any sense of the word but 'long covid' seems like a very convenient apparition from the both sides lobby.

 

The media, desperate to portray every conceivable issue as actually not just affecting or being caused by one group of people, has throughout the pandemic actively concealed the fact that the VAST majority of deaths are people who are either 1) very old 2) already very unwell or 3) both.

 

The stories that get the most traction and airtime (or paper time, in the newspapers) are the freak 5 to 50 cases out of 80,000 where the unlucky person has been an athlete, or a hero firefighter or teacher etc.

 

Then as soon as it seems impossible to deny the impact on older and vulnerable people covid is having, up pops long covid - which seems in practical terms pretty indistinguishable from any other kind of post-viral fatigue - to show that ACTUALLY ANYONE is EQUALLY at risk of covid, not just older and vulnerable people - against all existing statistics that are conveniently brushed under the carpet.

 

Now, I don't think it's all a ploy for social control or whatever, but I've been uncomfortable throughout how media stories that have little to no basis in actual fact or scientific observation, puff pieces, are then being taken on by the government as justification for draconian measures - while other things actually happening in the country like domestic violence and poverty caused by poorly-planned lockdowns (caveat; I am not saying lockdowns are INHERENTLY poorly-planned, just that the UK's seem often to miss out on a lot of forms of support and mitigation) are swept under the carpet and treated like they don't exist.

 

In short, let's see the peer-reviewed research and base policy on that, please, rather than soundbites.

 

To suggest that 'long Covid' is fiction is ludicrous.

 

There is overwhelming evidence that even being asymptomatic when having Covid-19 can cause longterm damage that may not be apparent for some time but may impact on that persons health for years to come.

 

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The Government's Coronavirus Dashboard seems to suggest that Scotland & Wales haven't vaccinated anyone for the past 2 days. I'm presuming that the database is just missing data, because if no-one from those two regions was being vaccinated for 48 hours it would be a massive news story. Nice to see Northern Ireland pulling above its weight on the vaccine rollout so far.

To suggest that 'long Covid' is fiction is ludicrous.

 

There is overwhelming evidence that even being asymptomatic when having Covid-19 can cause longterm damage that may not be apparent for some time but may impact on that persons health for years to come.

 

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Why do people ignore what scientists and virologists are saying and making their own opinions these days????