As for it being nice to have a choice of colours, how the f*** would you have coped back in the day when like the original Ford cars you could have it in any colour as long as it was black......

 

lmaoooooooooo chill hun

 

also quickly, what colour is your car?

If memory serves, Ford introduced different coloured choices in the late 1920s because sales of the Model T had dipped and it worked.

 

The way to play the game successfully changes. That's life.

Meghan Trainor’s career baffles me. She went from best news artist to flopstar/cringestar

But isn't it better that way? the more choice, the better, no?! How we'd have "coped back in the day" is irrelevant really.

 

It depends. There's apparently like 10 million colours that humans can see. It would be an absolute nightmare to try and give everybody that much choice. Maybe when ordering an album online they could ask for that RGB hexadecimal code you can give to specify a colour, and then print it in the factory after you order. That would probably be the best way. But it may be difficult to re-create each specific colour so accurately.

You say that like it isn't better now that cars are available in many more colours?

 

Just because things didn't used to be like they are today doesn't mean that today is worse, I far prefer having a choice where I can.

 

But if I want to change my car I don't go out and buy several new ones in different colours!

If memory serves, Ford introduced different coloured choices in the late 1920s because sales of the Model T had dipped and it worked.

 

The way to play the game successfully changes. That's life.

 

Again you're only buying one car! It's not the same thing.

Again you're only buying one car! It's not the same thing.

 

You sound like a broken record, pun intended! As a chart watcher shouldn’t you just be happy to see healthy sales? If multiple versions are the most effective and, at this point let’s face it, the only way we’re gonna see sales reach these levels again… why not?

Meghan Trainor’s career baffles me. She went from best news artist to flopstar/cringestar

 

I think the majority of her music has always been cringe but hey, ho.

 

One thing the past few years have proved is that any artist is capable of having a comeback if one particular song takes off through something like TikTok so i'm not too surprised she's seeing some chart success again. Notably the album isn't doing so well so far, it's more the song that seems to have captured an audience.

Imagine the physical sales if the 3AM tracks had been available as two (or one on the fourth version) each across the different CDs/vinyls and they weren't available to stream until a later date. I bought the jade green CD as liked the cover and colour the most, but I'd have bought more copies if there had been a reason to do so beyond different photos.

Again you're only buying one car! It's not the same thing.

 

You were the one who brought up the car false equivalence and are now annoyed it doesn't work? :kink:

You sound like a broken record, pun intended! As a chart watcher shouldn’t you just be happy to see healthy sales? If multiple versions are the most effective and, at this point let’s face it, the only way we’re gonna see sales reach these levels again… why not?

 

Christ! I gave my opinon on the multiple format issue and all the Taylor fans seem to think I 'm accusing her of being a mass rapist! The only point I was making was that if the record books say you sold a million albums these days it's maybe only 3/4 of a million because many people have bought several copies of the same thing. If they say you sold a million albums 30 or 40 years ago you sold pretty close to a million.

 

And is it healthy sales when sales would be so low without resorting to the practice of releasing so many variations?

Edited October 26, 20223 yr by Shaky Fan

People forget you can buy 3,4,5+ CDs at a time and it’s counting as a sale. 90s wasn’t a golden era. Artists will do what they need to do…

Christ! I gave my opinon on the multiple format issue and all the Taylor fans seem to think I 'm accusing her of being a mass rapist! The only point I was making was that if the record books say you sold a million albums these days it's maybe only 3/4 of a million because many people have bought several copies of the same thing. If they say you sold a million albums 30 or 40 years ago you sold pretty close to a million.

 

Maybe the Taylor obsessives can now f*** off and get a life!

 

 

Howling! :lol: :lol:

 

Does pointing out that sales this enormous can't be attributed to multibuying like that make you a Taylor obsessive now?

But if I want to change my car I don't go out and buy several new ones in different colours!

 

But that’s the point not everyone is buying several cars in different colours, some people will though people who collect cars will get different colours of a certain type of vintage car or different types of a brand of car… not everyone is doing it though. Ps I intend to buy a vinyl at some point and I will go with the colour that appeals most to me, it’s only going to be one sale though.

 

Also Taylor’s sales are still incredibly impressive regardless of her having numerous colours types etc because the matter of fact is EVERYONE releases several formats, even Melanie C who is on an independent label with a more limited budget released 4 vinyl, a cassette and 2 cd versions. But nobody else is selling nearly 200,000 even with their numerous versions. So hats off to Taylor.

Edited October 26, 20223 yr by Scary Spiceboy

I think the majority of her music has always been cringe but hey, ho.

 

One thing the past few years have proved is that any artist is capable of having a comeback if one particular song takes off through something like TikTok so i'm not too surprised she's seeing some chart success again. Notably the album isn't doing so well so far, it's more the song that seems to have captured an audience.

 

I liked her first album but since then… what’s happened? She went from a 10 to 2 and desperate to be a 7. I haven’t even heard her viral song but she’s not doing the same numbers as she was 7/8 years ago. It’s just and odd career.

I don't think Meghan Trainor was ever going to be an artist with great longevity, especially given the first album's singles were all essentially gimmicks.

 

I can see why she switched up her sound to try and appear more mature after the first era, but like a lot of acts of her type she faded out by the 3rd album. It's not that unusual.

Could Taylor end up over 200k?

Edited October 27, 20223 yr by Sean.

The thing is when there are no rules then things will always be manipulated.

 

The OCC seemingly couldn’t care less if an artist releases 5 or 500 variants, the album market is in terminal decline and we’d see 5k selling #1 albums without multiple formats, signed editions, album launch show bundles, Spotify/HMV/Amazon/Indie exclusives.

 

Ultimately it works which is why labels continue to do it for all genres (Pop, Rock etc.,) - there is an indie band I follow and they released 5 variants of their vinyl limited to 2,500 each, the reason was they intended to press 12k of vinyl in black but decided smaller quantities and made them ‘limited edition’ it gave people a choice and stans/collectors the opportunity to support the release and get something different in return.

 

If the OCC allow it and there is a market for it then why not release cassettes, CDs, minidisc, vinyl etc., - multibuying or not you can’t force people into buying the same album x amount of times unless they want to, can afford it and see value in what is being offered.

 

We’ve reached a point now where the Arctic Monkey’s manager stated they were not going to chase sales and play the multiple album game etc., however they have 3 variants of their vinyl album which is seen as modest in the current climate :lol:

This seems to have become a thread about everyone purposefully missing each other’s points and though I can see why many would disagree with Shaky in this instance, the ridiculing of his point (and he does have one) is actually very uncomfortable to read. But it’s the kind of ridiculing I see regularly in the chart forum these days so it’s hardly a surprise.

 

Yes, it’s great that Taylor can sell that much and of course it’s a great achievement. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that it isn’t a great thing that pretty much every artist has to release the multi formats to shift albums. It’s great if people love it but I do miss when albums could just sell themselves. When they lasted for more than just a few weeks. It’s great that people are happy to see high sales but that doesn’t mean that some of those sales aren’t artificial or that you shouldn’t point that out or that pointing that out is having a go at Taylor.

 

But whatever your view, please remember there are real people behind the posters who can get frustrated when people miss their points and put words in their mouths.

 

And posts like ‘this thread is a mess’ are pointless and just antagonise. What’s wrong with a bit of debate, after all.