Leann Flops (have to admit I love the name) should sign CDs in person at Tescos,

pre-signed physical singles don't count for the charts anymore

but think if you sign them in person, it counts

Meekul pls stop x

How come Zara is top 40? So they have physicals?

Xos it made the t200 on spotify on day 1 then disappeared

Dont think its charted on Apple, bit better on Amazon @133 now

And also done nothing on itunes

 

It’s up to 110 on Apple now!

Zac Efron & Zendaya? (on the same song in that case, and Zig & Zag before that...)

 

 

Also Zay Hilfigerrr and Zayion McCall in 2016 :lol:

 

Touché :P

Someone posted earlier about how many variations of the Busted album they purchased to ensure it gets to Number One. Do chart watchers here mind the way the album charts have played out in recent years where many fairly anonymous acts enter at No.1 or top 5 and then disappear outside the top 100 the following week never to be heard of again due to a small but significant hard-core fan base snapping up as many copies as they can afford in the debut week? I'm not saying Busted were an anonymous act but wait snd see how far they drop next week. Its not a true representation of a hit album in the traditional sense which would have legs and stay around for weeks or months. This frontloaded debut week only mass purchase just devalues the No. 1 achievement in my opinion.

 

I'd rather see genuine hit current albums hang around for weeks than this level of volatility. Otherwise we'll look back on these years best sellers lists to see they're made up mostly of decades old albums with the rare current hit album with longevity making it to the bestsellers.

 

Are the chart watchers here fine with that?

 

There's not really a lot we can do, the album as a format/product is dying and this is the only way these acts can make it a worthwhile or profitable venture.

problem is also that streaming is not properly incorporated into album charts

those so-called anonymous artists, mainly indie, get super good streams, in week 1 and also in week 2

but what happens? they don't have playlist support so get zero streams from playlists

then they overall stream figures for those albums are low

and albums like Elton John-Diamonds or The Weekend-Highlights get 5 times more streams

but actually no one is streaming those albums properly, it's all from playlists

 

so if album streams were counted properly, counting people streaming the album, not listening via playlists

those anonymous band would get 1) higher 1st week totals and 2) wouldn't fall 1-Out of the top 100

just check Apple Album Streams, which excludes playlists

 

so people not only buys but also stream these albums and not only week 1, it's just the occ system is not reflecting this properly

 

 

Shame Busted didn’t do an Anne-Marie as they’d have more sales and more likely secure #1 if they did

Shame Busted didn’t do an Anne-Marie as they’d have more sales and more likely secure #1 if they did

You’ll have to remind us what Anne-Marie did. :lol:

You’ll have to remind us what Anne-Marie did. :lol:

She also did social media campaigning as well as price reductions whereas Busted only did the latter

Someone posted earlier about how many variations of the Busted album they purchased to ensure it gets to Number One. Do chart watchers here mind the way the album charts have played out in recent years where many fairly anonymous acts enter at No.1 or top 5 and then disappear outside the top 100 the following week never to be heard of again due to a small but significant hard-core fan base snapping up as many copies as they can afford in the debut week? I'm not saying Busted were an anonymous act but wait snd see how far they drop next week. Its not a true representation of a hit album in the traditional sense which would have legs and stay around for weeks or months. This frontloaded debut week only mass purchase just devalues the No. 1 achievement in my opinion.

 

I'd rather see genuine hit current albums hang around for weeks than this level of volatility. Otherwise we'll look back on these years best sellers lists to see they're made up mostly of decades old albums with the rare current hit album with longevity making it to the bestsellers.

 

Are the chart watchers here fine with that?

Busted have a couple of Free meet and greet signings over the weekend, so I don't know if I would expect them to drop as big as you think, but maybe they will, idk.

Why are you repeatedly bringing up Anne-Marie as if she invented social media campaigning especially when she didn't even get to #1? The non-sequiturs get more and more inexplicable every week xx

Do chart watchers here mind the way the album charts have played out in recent years where many fairly anonymous acts enter at No.1 or top 5 and then disappear outside the top 100 the following week never to be heard of again due to a small but significant hard-core fan base snapping up as many copies as they can afford in the debut week?

 

The current chart calculation method is unfair to independent and legacy artists. These artists often have a loyal fanbase who will support them by buying their music or attending their shows and they aren't tiny venues either. These artists should not be denied their place in the mainstream spotlight because streaming platforms do not support them enough. Playlisting is one of the main reasons why older albums are still on the charts in the first place.

Edited September 21, 20232 yr by _Clo_

It's not about streaming platform supporting them, it's the streaming culture among the fandom in the first place. Also, legacy acts, like Rod Stewart for example, are not big because of their NEW music, they are big because of their past hits.

 

Rolling Stones are releasing a new album soon and we know that NONE of the tracks will become their biggest streaming hit just because the already have huge classics in their discography.

 

Same with Arctic Monkeys - HUUUUUGE streams overall but not so much for new album.

 

So it's simply a case of where the artists are in their career.

Edited September 21, 20232 yr by Sour Candy

Do chart watchers here mind the way the album charts have played out in recent years where many fairly anonymous acts enter at No.1 or top 5 and then disappear outside the top 100 the following week never to be heard of again due to a small but significant hard-core fan base snapping up as many copies as they can afford in the debut week? I'm not saying Busted were an anonymous act but wait snd see how far they drop next week. Its not a true representation of a hit album in the traditional sense which would have legs and stay around for weeks or months. This frontloaded debut week only mass purchase just devalues the No. 1 achievement in my opinion.

I feel like the album charts are beyond saving at this point. However, and I feel like I'm in a minority on this, I am dismayed by some of these practices coming increasingly into play in the singles chart recently, whereby any song within about 10k of #1 can be lumped to a week at the top by fanbase multi-buying of loss-making physicals.

The end of year album charts are so pathetic these days that I actually don't mind the weekly charts just being a constant revolving door of testing fanbases, it is kind of impressive how much some artists have been able to game the system (I don't really care about The Lottery Winners but it's pretty fascinating that they were able to somehow sell more in a week of their latest album than their entire back catalogue had sold in total (iirc) before proceeding to exit the top 200 entirely).

problem is also that streaming is not properly incorporated into album charts

those so-called anonymous artists, mainly indie, get super good streams, in week 1 and also in week 2

but what happens? they don't have playlist support so get zero streams from playlists

then they overall stream figures for those albums are low

and albums like Elton John-Diamonds or The Weekend-Highlights get 5 times more streams

but actually no one is streaming those albums properly, it's all from playlists

 

so if album streams were counted properly, counting people streaming the album, not listening via playlists

those anonymous band would get 1) higher 1st week totals and 2) wouldn't fall 1-Out of the top 100

just check Apple Album Streams, which excludes playlists

 

so people not only buys but also stream these albums and not only week 1, it's just the occ system is not reflecting this properly

 

If fans didn’t support and buy physicals then the album charts would be Fleetwood Mac, The Weeknd, Elton John etc., clogging up the top end of the charts week in week out with streams, I’d much prefer to see an album sell 20k in physicals and go 1-57-out, than albums selling next to no actual copies and being #1 due to playlists.

I don't think it matters for new album releases. It's normal to want to support your favorite band/artist, and not everyone wants to listen via streaming. Some people, like my parents, wouldn't know how to use Spotify.

 

A few weeks ago, the Official Charts interviewed Cian Ducrot, Skindred, and The Sherlocks when they were competing for #1. The Sherlocks received more airplay on Radio 1 and Skindred appeared on BBC Breakfast, giving both artists more exposure and support. It's doubtful that either indie artist would have been offered those opportunities if they weren't in the running for #1.

 

Without fans buying physical copies, indie artists would have little chance of making and releasing music at all, but it is unrealistic to expect them to print x copies a week to stay in the chart. It's good that some of them do have the fanbase to compete with major labels in the first place.

Edited September 21, 20232 yr by _Clo_

However, and I feel like I'm in a minority on this, I am dismayed by some of these practices coming increasingly into play in the singles chart recently, whereby any song within about 10k of #1 can be lumped to a week at the top by fanbase multi-buying of loss-making physicals.

 

If anything, the singles chart is just reverting to how it worked before the introduction of downloads. I welcome the weekly turnover of new #1s and it helps make the charts far less stale.

 

Not really - before downloads, overall physical singles sales would be several hundred thousands or even millions per week across vast swathes of the general public, now it's only a few commited fanbases.

Edited September 21, 20232 yr by jimwatts