While all this has been going on, Sunak has been on holiday. He has issued one fairly bland statement. Many people are criticising him, but not me. If he returned to the UK, he wouldn’t achieve anything. We need to see a move away from this idiotic idea that senior politicians shouldn’t be allowed to go on holiday.

Yeah the holiday thing would be a weak thing to attack him for. If he was in power it'd be different but if he was doing what he needed to do even while there, then fine.

 

There seemed to be no fuss in Birmingham today, so I think the riots are over now.

They are definitely over for the time being, until the next thing comes the way.

 

I notice Reform have used this event and the lastto really position themselves in the Trumpism of politics. They've entered full blown conspiracy mode territory now.

I'm honestly appalled at the amount of social media straight up lies that have caused direct harm passed about and signal boosted by public figures with huge reach in the last week. This feels like a real turning point or moment of reckoning between the invented name and that he was a Muslim (two complete falsehoods) and then at the same time, the totally evidence-free claim that a female boxer at the Olympics was a man because she couldn't be so good at her sport unless she was.

 

It's truly chilling to see people have no compunction whatsoever about sharing things that are just made up as if they were true and even taking violent action based on it.

They are still insisting she is a man, using the disgraced and discredited Russian agency as evidence. They have no understanding of biology, either. Shockingly ignorant. J.K Rowling jumped on the topic too!!

The Russian led IBC has not provided a shred of evidence either but so many people are still calling her a man or trans, it’s disgusting. How dare they take her achievement away from her. People jump on bandwagons and refuse to look at the information properly.

 

I genuinely think the athletes that did the X symbol to the audience after they lost should be banned by the Olympics commission from boxing there again.

The Russian led IBC has not provided a shred of evidence either but so many people are still calling her a man or trans, it’s disgusting. How dare they take her achievement away from her. People jump on bandwagons and refuse to look at the information properly.

 

I genuinely think the athletes that did the X symbol to the audience after they lost should be banned by the Olympics commission from boxing there again.

 

 

As it currently stands there will be no boxing at the next olympics anyway, not without a newly recognised international federation to govern it. They've binned off the IBA due to their dodgy status.

This was absolutely horrifying news in the first place, but the fact it turned into legitimite means for racist riots from the actions of one psychopathic individual where race didn't even come into it is unthinkable. I'm glad at least the counter protests outnumbered them, not the least in Walthamstow near where I grew up.

The 2011 riots were way worse, there was a lot more damage and widespread fear, although those riots kind of burned out quickly. The difference was, those were actually riots, whereas the current trend appears to be protests, but with the aim of being riots, so less intense but of course social media plays a way bigger part these days. I think this current trend will eventually fizzle out over the week, but clearly there's some real work politicians need to do.

I'm 10 days late with this but 2011 was a political awakening for teenage me and there are probably lots of my posts in the Buzzjack threads of yesteryear. I remember the 2011 riots really well.

 

It was very shocking but I don't know if there was widespread fear from the 2011 riots. The material damage may have been greater and I remember policing/clashes with the police being a much heftier topic too. But what was particularly scary this summer was the pogrom-like hate and the targeting of minorities which for me is far scarier than opportunistic looting of businesses.

I'm glad what was looking like prolonged unrest has pretty much entirely died down, with the focus now being on the arrests.

 

It's barely been two weeks but it feels like some fever dream.

Glad that they're still handing out those sentences:

 

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-09-0...t-over-uk-riots

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qvlq57ewyo

 

Very interesting case. The guy joined a far right telegram group under a fake name and tried to encourage them to come to heavy Muslim populated areas in the hope of getting them outnumbered and beat up I imagine. How authorities found his real identity or this information he posted in it I’m not sure. He got 28 months.

A 61 yr old man who was jailed for multiple years after taking part in the riots killed himself in prison https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rioter-dies-in-p...outhport-riots/

 

Unclear exactly his crime, abusing police and violent disorder but I’ve seen that ranging from obstructing police to a lot more serious so hard to know. Given the amount of time in comparison to others seems like something more on the minor side. Stuff like this was inevitable and probably won’t be the last. Should a 61 yr old who had a heart attack not long before be in prison for essentially turning up at what turned into a riot? I don’t think so. Seems more like deterrent sentences than anything which for this guy was basically a death sentence. Deterrents are all well and good but cutting people’s hands off for stealing might work but it’s draconian. I really don’t think this guy was a threat to the public aside from this flashpoint, clearly was a danger to himself and it’s hard to take all that into account when you have these speed run trials and railroading people into guilty pleas. I saw credible information that showed people arrested were informed they would be remanded until trial which could take up to 10 months given that situation you can see why lots pleaded guilty. I think that’s very sketchy and unprecedented.

 

Every case is different and has various variables attached but for example if we look at this case. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cglkk89yj5yo.amp This guy took a random 14 yr old girl off a bench in the street and raped her and got just 5 years. People getting almost 3 years for tweets or shouting abuse at the police seems pretty out of sync with harm caused and sentence received. I think you can make a point without making it worse. The authorities should look at this case and review a lot of the vulnerable people they gave excessive sentences too. A lot of them were just slow or reacting to misinformation, very few people convicted were involved in actual violent or dangerous disorder. Looting a Greggs is a sign of low IQ than a danger to the public. There is no real benefit to half of them being in prison especially with the potential ramifications.

 

He was part of a riot that tried to BURN PEOPLE ALIVE

 

Let’s not minimise what he was part of nor his history that no doubt also weighed into his sentence

A 61 yr old man who was jailed for multiple years after taking part in the riots killed himself in prison https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rioter-dies-in-p...outhport-riots/

 

Unclear exactly his crime, abusing police and violent disorder but I’ve seen that ranging from obstructing police to a lot more serious so hard to know. Given the amount of time in comparison to others seems like something more on the minor side. Stuff like this was inevitable and probably won’t be the last. Should a 61 yr old who had a heart attack not long before be in prison for essentially turning up at what turned into a riot? I don’t think so. Seems more like deterrent sentences than anything which for this guy was basically a death sentence. Deterrents are all well and good but cutting people’s hands off for stealing might work but it’s draconian. I really don’t think this guy was a threat to the public aside from this flashpoint, clearly was a danger to himself and it’s hard to take all that into account when you have these speed run trials and railroading people into guilty pleas. I saw credible information that showed people arrested were informed they would be remanded until trial which could take up to 10 months given that situation you can see why lots pleaded guilty. I think that’s very sketchy and unprecedented.

 

Every case is different and has various variables attached but for example if we look at this case. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cglkk89yj5yo.amp This guy took a random 14 yr old girl off a bench in the street and raped her and got just 5 years. People getting almost 3 years for tweets or shouting abuse at the police seems pretty out of sync with harm caused and sentence received. I think you can make a point without making it worse. The authorities should look at this case and review a lot of the vulnerable people they gave excessive sentences too. A lot of them were just slow or reacting to misinformation, very few people convicted were involved in actual violent or dangerous disorder. Looting a Greggs is a sign of low IQ than a danger to the public. There is no real benefit to half of them being in prison especially with the potential ramifications.

And Just Stop Oil protesters, who caused inconvenience but didn't threaten lives, got longer sentences than many of the rioters. Your point is?

I think it's very simplistic to say people are getting 3 year sentences just for sending tweets.

 

If you make a social media post telling people to set a hotel on fire, you deserve a long sentence.

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2024-11-...harsh-sentences

 

And the judge was following the ‘guidelines’ ? Then how was it too harsh. Let’s be real this was politically motivated sentencing and these judges acted improperly with wildly excessive sentences. There really should be more oversight of judges having seen a lot of cases in person I am afraid there are many that are atrocious with incredible egos.

 

Not cases to do with this stuff*

 

But less so these guys. More the online posts/tweets I don’t think were prison sentences certainly the non violent stuff.

 

Also it came out that the perpetrator had an al qaeda manual not long ago which means he probably was a jihadist which means the disinformation while being bad faith was actually sorta correct. All very messy. The authorities in my opinion knew this guy, messed up, three kids died they then kept all details quiet too long and then created this vacuum and then hid the fact he was a jihadist for months. Just a complete mess. Very similar to the Manchester bombings where they are now being sued by the victims for their errors. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manch...er-68811600.amp Punishing stupid or angry people for reacting to a preventable crime seems like the wrong response entirely. Nobody should be in prison unless they’re dangerous or committed a real serious crime.

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Here we go ‘but we were right’. Doesn’t matter. The rioting was inexcusable. The incitement was still inexcusable.

Got to say I don't live this new wave of articles trying to make us have sympathy for "alas, poor criminal".

"Nobody should be in prison unless they’re dangerous"

 

Not like going out rioting, screaming, threatening others and destroying property mindlessly as part of a mob is usually a pretty good indicator that somebody is dangerous...