If you’re voting reform because you think they’re gonna stop the boats, you’re deluded 🤣

13 hours ago, DanielCarey said:

I voted for Green in this election.

I voted Reform.

56 minutes ago, Hadji said:

If you’re voting reform because you think they’re gonna stop the boats, you’re deluded 🤣

Delusion is a nice way of putting it.

I'd have just called them racist c**ts

so far underwhelming performance from the greens which is weird because i think they ran an excellent campaign

2 minutes ago, uhsting said:

so far underwhelming performance from the greens which is weird because i think they ran an excellent campaign

Probably because on local issues they can be fairly useless, I will say this as someone who had the fortune of them running my local council a few years ago. Much like Reform likely will be too.

From some of the patterns emerging it looks like voting for Green is enabling Reform. There’s probably a lot of people voting tactically too.

Well the people who voted reform will see the mistake they've made soon enough

11 minutes ago, uhsting said:

so far underwhelming performance from the greens which is weird because i think they ran an excellent campaign

Note that most expected Green-leaning councils haven't reported yet, particularly central Manchester and north London. They've done pretty good in Exeter, Reading and Oxford which have reported.

My estimation is that we'd still expect them to get ~600 seats from what's left to report. Maybe 400 on the lower end. No point talking about them underperforming until those Green leaning councils are in.

18 minutes ago, Henessy Lake said:

Well the people who voted reform will see the mistake they've made soon enough

These people are so entrenched that they really won't.

Greens have won Hackney mayoralty, their first ever mayor - which bodes well for results in that area of London.

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Reform are the winners so far, with more results still to be declared.

To support my last post, this looks like Greens' best result in local elections assuming predictions hold out and a huge increase from the last time this set were run.

I would frame this more as Labour need to watch their left flank. If the Greens can damage them in these sorts of elections then Labour's tack should be to try win those voters back, we don't generally see much movement between the party blocs so going after Reform/Tory voters will have diminishing returns. In a 5-party system there's so much less leverage to hold voters to ransom voting for you to keep the other party out, as it's comparatively easy for that insurgent party to outdo the institutional party, as we saw in Gorton & Denton.

Notice a lot of people on my socials were posting pictures of themselves voting Green in the actual ballot box, I wonder if any of those will still get disqualified

1 hour ago, 777666jason said:

Notice a lot of people on my socials were posting pictures of themselves voting Green in the actual ballot box, I wonder if any of those will still get disqualified

I believe it's illegal to reveal someone else's vote in a polling station, even accidentally, and you might receive a fine (£5000 iirc) for doing so, so people are told not to post pictures which is technically banned. But votes in the ballot box are anonymous so there would be no reason to discount any votes.

Good result for the Greens with the mayoralty in Hackney, hope to see a lot more councillor gains as results for their target areas come in, I expect we'll see gains for them in London especially. That said, it's hard not to feel depressed seeing how many people have voted Reform, and it makes me really worried for the next GE. We could lose our NHS, our infrastructure would slowly disintegrate, homelessness and poverty would skyrocket, going carbon neutral and getting cheaper energy would become a distant dream and you can forget about fixing water/ sewage. It seems like no one actually looks at Reform policies and just vote based on vibes, culture wars talking points and "but the iMiGranTs".

National politics aside, at the very least when Reform f*** up local council budgets and fail to deliver functioning councils and raise council tax everywhere to cover their failures and ballooning debt people will see that they're not to be trusted, but they'd probably just blame the national government. 3 years is a long time, just got to hope they keep running their concentration camps ads I guess and enough people will find it distasteful enough to not vote for the fascists.

I'm actually not surprised that Reform are doing well.

People are stupid. They'll believe whatever the likes of Farage will say regardless of how likely that is to be true.

It's 100% driven by immigration. Not considering that there's other rights they'll lose in the process.

And even if immigration was "sorted" they'll find something else to be angry about.

3 hours ago, Rooney said:

From some of the patterns emerging it looks like voting for Green is enabling Reform. There’s probably a lot of people voting tactically too.

Labour is enabling Reform. They have spent years kicking their base and legitimising Reform's politics, which never works, and yet still refuse to offer an actual alternative. It's laughable.

It's silly to frame this as anything other than Labour damaging themselves

My town has ended up with Green after having Labour for years and years

1 hour ago, blacksquare said:

Labour is enabling Reform. They have spent years kicking their base and legitimising Reform's politics, which never works, and yet still refuse to offer an actual alternative. It's laughable.

It's silly to frame this as anything other than Labour damaging themselves

I dunno about that one. The top level data at the moment seems to be linked to Brexit where the Tory voters are shifting to Reform and only a small minority of Labour voters are shifting to Reform (10-15%). Where Green is doing well, its meaning Reform are picking up seats.

People want Labour to do a 360 spin on everything which would be an absolute disaster. I agree whatever they do on some issues they can never outflank Reform.

We’re in a period of populism (from the left and right) and quick fixes and people who want change. Unfortunately, you can’t have change without breaking the system. And if you break the system, more people will lose out than gain.

LMFAOOOOOO

Labour held all 3 seats in my area although the greens had a significant increase. One green candididate was within 200 votes of a seat.

Happy to see the gains for the greens generally - I believe they're doing even better than forecast?

Thankfully Reform weren't really a threat at all in Bromley, still Conservative of course but when it's been that way for generations, that's gonna be hard to shake. I'm thankfully in the most progressive part of it and it's stayed Lib Dem (I voted Green as there was honestly not a lot of need for tactical voting and I could never, ever forgive myself for voting Tory even if they are the lesser of two evils in this case). Havering wasn't so lucky it seems...:/

Excellent to see Greens get some great mayoral results in London though. Depressingly high numbers for Reform of course but this was always going to happen, I don't know what else can possibly get through to Labour that their current strategy is just not bloody working, I can't help but doom-wait for the inevitable Farage handover in 2029 at this stage :(

6 minutes ago, Chez Wombat said:

Thankfully Reform weren't really a threat at all in Bromley, still Conservative of course but when it's been that way for generations, that's gonna be hard to shake. I'm thankfully in the most progressive part of it and it's stayed Lib Dem (I voted Green as there was honestly not a lot of need for tactical voting and I could never, ever forgive myself for voting Tory even if they are the lesser of two evils in this case). Havering wasn't so lucky it seems...:/

Excellent to see Greens get some great mayoral results in London though. Depressingly high numbers for Reform of course but this was always going to happen, I don't know what else can possibly get through to Labour that their current strategy is just not bloody working, I can't help but doom-wait for the inevitable Farage handover in 2029 :(

Tbf I think things were starting to look up until the whole Iran war... The best way for Labour to gain in polls in the run up to 2029 is to make the average person feel better off via more money in their pocket/better services. I think that is something that is slowly starting to happen (NHS waiting lists consistently coming down, GDP per capita increasing after a couple years stagnating). A number of their policies such as minimum wage increases, child benefit cap lifted etc should go some way into helping. If the Iran war situation/inflationary effect is temporary then we could possiblly see labour start to do things such as unfreeze tax thresholds (IIRC this was on the potential cards before the Iran war due to better than expected economic data/tax receipts/lower borrowing).

Edited Friday at 18:071 day by Envoirment

We've just had the results of Coventry. It's a no-party majority. 24 for Labour, 20 for Reform, 6 for Conservative, 4 for Green.