51 minutes ago, blacksquare said:

I love an unapologetic, openly queer, pro-Palestine, actual money-where-her-mouth-is trans advocate, Casey Wasserman drop-kicking, drama queen!

less keen on most of the music hehe x

I get that you appreciate her activism, and that’s fair. I’m not commenting on that, I’m talking about how she handled that specific situation. Those are two different things. You’re talking about her activism. I’m talking about her behavior. Not the same thing.

16 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

Saying that though, if it really is impacting Roan and she can't handle it then she really should get out of the industry. Things aren't going to change. You cannot be a successful and popular musician and still have your privacy in public.

Considering the rest of your post (which is spot on btw), why should she get out of the industry?

At this point she will be recognised and followed for a long time to some degree, and if she decides to stop challenging the sense of entitlement towards celebrities, it will continue until someone else comes along to challenge it.

Fair enough if she wants to try to pull herself out of the limelight (that's completely her preogative), but meaningful change needs people being outspoken about it!

Unrelated to your post, for what it's worth I don't really care if the guard was hired by Chappell or not. The Daily Mail screenshot there is worded in a way that deliberately sparks outrage (mentioning that he used to be security to the Kardashians, which isn't really relevant to this situation) and Chappell says the guard wasn't hers, but that's also not even relevant to the situation, so that's not something I'm really bothered about lol

2 minutes ago, Nine And ¾ said:

I’m talking about her behavior. Not the same thing.

What behaviour though? It wasn't even her that interacted with the child

2 minutes ago, Lindsey. said:

What behaviour though? It wasn't even her that interacted with the child

Yeah, I was starting to come around to her behaviour/delivery being the issue yesterday...

But the more I think of it, the more I'm feeling that she just seems like she's exhausted when she's addressing discussion around these scenarios...

Do people want her to get dressed up and go on a talk show to discuss something that happened when she wasn't working? Because that's kinda what it feels like.

Edited March 25Mar 25 by Juranamo

If the issue is because she filmed her video in bed that's just bizarre, like thats probably the only chance throughout the day where she's got time to herself to actually catch up. Plus, to me it feels more authentic that she's just turned her camera on to have a chat about where she stands on the whole thing, especially after the fake screenshot that was circulating. Can't really say the same about the mother's video though...

I know I'm posting a lot in here but it's no secret how much I admire Chappell and her music so I am going to defend where I see fit

Why should she get out of the industry? Why shouldn’t we be striving to improve things rather than just go ‘oh that’s the job’? That applies to any job as well-whenever I complain about my job, people sometimes say ‘well you knew what the job was’. It’s such a childish and immature response.

46 minutes ago, Lindsey. said:

I think now would be a great time to make a Chappell Roan artist forum tbh

That would mean her exiting the Pop Factor wouldn't it 🤣

1 hour ago, blacksquare said:

I love an unapologetic, openly queer, pro-Palestine, actual money-where-her-mouth-is trans advocate, Casey Wasserman drop-kicking, drama queen!

31 minutes ago, Nine And ¾ said:

I get that you appreciate her activism, and that’s fair. I’m not commenting on that, I’m talking about how she handled that specific situation. Those are two different things. You’re talking about her activism. I’m talking about her behavior. Not the same thing.

My bigger point, and my main takeaway from all of this, is how 'popstar is mean' has been actual headline news and a trending story for days. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to look at this, see what she actually stands for and supports, and notice where most of the blowback is coming from. It's blatant, and I'm surprised by the amount of people (not here, more broadly) happily playing along with the engagement bait.

Madonna would not have survived social media.

34 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

Considering the rest of your post (which is spot on btw), why should she get out of the industry?

18 minutes ago, T Boy said:

Why should she get out of the industry? Why shouldn’t we be striving to improve things rather than just go ‘oh that’s the job’? That applies to any job as well-whenever I complain about my job, people sometimes say ‘well you knew what the job was’. It’s such a childish and immature response.

If her mental health is really being impacted by the loss of privacy and dealing with fans and paparazzi then yes, the logical thing to do would be to stop out of the spotlight? It's delusional to think that anything will change in pop culture regarding celebrity worship and parasocial relationships just because one celebrity makes a fuss about it. Fans have literally murdered their favourite artists, broken into houses, snuck into hotel rooms, harassed their family members etc for decades and nothing has changed. You cannot get rid of the human nature to be curious about seeing famous people in public. Kids and teenagers will always, always be excited to see a celebrity and want to approach them. People with poor mental health will have fixations on celebrities and stalk them. Death threats and abuse will always come when a celeb gets political. None of this will ever change.

And it's ridiculous to compare a normal 9 - 5 job where you're completely anonymous to the life of a huge pop star with millions of fans. Every job has downsides but only fame causes you to lose your entire private life and have everyone know who you are, where you go, every personal detail about you etc. It's extremely messed up and again, I SUPPORT Roan here, but if it's causing anguish and misery then you have to re-evaluate whether being a pop star is the best choice or whether you're better moving away from the public, avoiding promo and just releasing music independently or something.

First, there was the situation in New York where fans approached her on the street to take pictures, and she said that it wasn’t normal for her, that it was a “crazy type of behavior.” People who really love her and listen to her music think they’re close to her, etc. So does that mean we’re all crazy for loving an artist and wanting a photo with them?

Then came Paris Fashion Week, right in the middle of Paris, during an event with the biggest fashion brands and full media coverage, where all the other major celebrities were also present. What did she think and expect? It’s like me going into a some ghetto and then blaming the people there for surrounding me, instead of taking responsibility for having gone there myself.

Then, specifically regarding the child in São Paulo: those people brought the child to her concert because she listens to and loves Chappell’s music. At that hotel where they were, Sabrina, Lewis Capaldi, and other Lollapalooza performers were also staying, and the child was perfectly fine taking pictures with all of them.

She turned herself into one of the biggest pop woke queer activists how can she expect to have no feedback or interaction with the public? And then, at the end of the concert, after all of this, she thanked her security team. That’s fine in itself, but at the moment when the drama was happening, it was really ambiguous, because the security defended her from an 11-year-old child?!

And then, after all that, she films two videos lying in bed in pajamas, saying she had nothing to do with it, that she didn’t see anyone, didn’t tell anyone anything. But if she already has a history of rejecting her fans, her security is going to act according to the instructions they’ve been following while working with her. If that little girl had actually reached her, the security would have been “at fault” and probably fired, lol.

And the simplest way for her to wash her hands of this situation is just to put all the responsibility on that one person, because nobody cares who he is. There’s even a clip from the plane where Chappell points at someone filming her, and her security immediately goes after him, lmao.

The other thing is that she has stalkers, but at this point she only needs attack dogs instead of security to bite anyone who tries to approach her. It’s genuinely unrealistic that someone chooses to be a celebrity and then treats the people who love her like this.

I get it, people love her and want to defend her. But being upset about fans trying to see you when you’re a public figure isn’t moral outrage. it’s just the reality of choosing fame. I wish the world were a better place, but I’m responsible for my own choices and actions. I don’t know if she even has a PR team guiding her, but there’s no way she can change this. Nobody is going to stop filming her she chose to be at the center of media attention. She’s not a victim. She chose this.

Edited March 25Mar 25 by Nine And ¾

5 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

If her mental health is really being impacted by the loss of privacy and dealing with fans and paparazzi then yes, the logical thing to do would be to stop out of the spotlight? It's delusional to think that anything will change in pop culture regarding celebrity worship and parasocial relationships just because one celebrity makes a fuss about it. Fans have literally murdered their favourite artists, broken into houses, snuck into hotel rooms, harassed their family members etc for decades and nothing has changed. You cannot get rid of the human nature to be curious about seeing famous people in public. Kids and teenagers will always, always be excited to see a celebrity and want to approach them. People with poor mental health will have fixations on celebrities and stalk them. Death threats and abuse will always come when a celeb gets political. None of this will ever change.

And it's ridiculous to compare a normal 9 - 5 job where you're completely anonymous to the life of a huge pop star with millions of fans. Every job has downsides but only fame causes you to lose your entire private life and have everyone know who you are, where you go, every personal detail about you etc. It's extremely messed up and again, I SUPPORT Roan here, but if it's causing anguish and misery then you have to re-evaluate whether being a pop star is the best choice or whether you're better moving away from the public, avoiding promo and just releasing music independently or something.

I’m not delusional for wanting things in that industry to change. Its attitudes like yours that make change difficult to come by. ‘That’s the way it is’ isn’t an answer to anything, it’s just a barrier. It’s attitudes like that that make progress feel delusional.

I also don’t consider myself ridiculous for trying to understand Chappell on a human level. Yes our jobs are wildly different but every job has its downside and this is one of fame’s. She’s well within her rights to complain about it just like anyone in any job. And just because you complain about your job doesn’t mean you hate it.

I also don’t think anyone should be forced to give up the work they love because other people can’t respect their boundaries. Yes, it happens but why should she stop being creative and performing? That’s an unfair ask when people could just adjust their own behaviour.

I’m genuinely fried that ‘parasocial behaviour/fandom’ is being brought up so much in this whole situation, being something she actively challenges and denounces… and yet it’s the epitome of what some of the defence is becoming 🥲

10 minutes ago, Nine And ¾ said:

First, there was the situation in New York where fans approached her on the street to take pictures, and she said that it wasn’t normal for her, that it was a “crazy type of behavior.” People who really love her and listen to her music think they’re close to her, etc. So does that mean we’re all crazy for loving an artist and wanting a photo with them?

Then came Paris Fashion Week, right in the middle of Paris, during an event with the biggest fashion brands and full media coverage, where all the other major celebrities were also present. What did she think and expect? It’s like me going into a some ghetto and then blaming the people there for surrounding me, instead of taking responsibility for having gone there myself.

Then, specifically regarding the child in São Paulo: those people brought the child to her concert because she listens to and loves Chappell’s music. At that hotel where they were, Sabrina, Lewis Capaldi, and other Lollapalooza performers were also staying, and the child was perfectly fine taking pictures with all of them.

She turned herself into one of the biggest pop woke queer activists how can she expect to have no feedback or interaction with the public? And then, at the end of the concert, after all of this, she thanked her security team. That’s fine in itself, but at the moment when the drama was happening, it was really ambiguous, because the security defended her from an 11-year-old child?!

And then, after all that, she films two videos lying in bed in pajamas, saying she had nothing to do with it, that she didn’t see anyone, didn’t tell anyone anything. But if she already has a history of rejecting her fans, her security is going to act according to the instructions they’ve been following while working with her. If that little girl had actually reached her, the security would have been “at fault” and probably fired, lol.

And the simplest way for her to wash her hands of this situation is just to put all the responsibility on that one person, because nobody cares who he is. There’s even a clip from the plane where Chappell points at someone filming her, and her security immediately goes after him, lmao.

The other thing is that she has stalkers, but at this point she only needs attack dogs instead of security to bite anyone who tries to approach her. It’s genuinely unrealistic that someone chooses to be a celebrity and then treats the people who love her like this.

I get it, people love her and want to defend her. But being upset about fans trying to see you when you’re a public figure isn’t moral outrage. it’s just the reality of choosing fame. I wish the world were a better place, but I’m responsible for my own choices and actions. I don’t know if she even has a PR team guiding her, but there’s no way she can change this. Nobody is going to stop filming her she chose to be at the center of media attention. She’s not a victim. She chose this.

I get it. So what you’re saying is: if you’re creative and wanting to express yourself that’s ok as long as we can affect your mental health at the same time. If you want space, stop being creative and expressing yourself.

We really are reaching a low here…

I'm seeing lots of commentary saying Chappell chose this life and that she can just leave it. I'm sorry, but once you are famous, you no longer get to choose not to be famous. Everyone knows who you are.

She chooses to be an activist, yes. But part of being an activist is standing up for something that is bigger than yourself. She might not be able to change things all on her own, but she is TALKING. I'm actually proud of her for not giving up, if we all gave up standing for what we believe in, the world would be a much more grim place than it already is.

I'm still at a complete loss as to what Chappell has done wrong here.

7 minutes ago, Calum said:

I’m genuinely fried that ‘parasocial behaviour/fandom’ is being brought up so much in this whole situation, being something she actively challenges and denounces… and yet it’s the epitome of what some of the defence is becoming 🥲

Hun I don’t even listen to her 😭

If we really want to drag her then let’s take about The Giver serving Shania Twain pastiche on a budget

10 minutes ago, Juranamo said:

I'm seeing lots of commentary saying Chappell chose this life and that she can just leave it. I'm sorry, but once you are famous, you no longer get to choose not to be famous. Everyone knows who you are.

Plenty of former celebrities leave the industry and have regular jobs.

2 minutes ago, Calum said:

I’m genuinely fried that ‘parasocial behaviour/fandom’ is being brought up so much in this whole situation, being something she actively challenges and denounces… and yet it’s the epitome of what some of the defence is becoming 🥲

Pardon?

If this was Chappell or whoever else, I would have the exact same stance. I'm not under the illusion that I know the ins and outs of any celebrity (or anyone, for that matter), but a basic principle that I think everyone should have, regardless of status, is that if someone says "I don't like people doing this", you don't do it unless you absolutely have to.

It honestly concerns me that some people here and elsewhere seemingly don't think that applies to everyone, regardless of their level of fame. I don't know anyone here well enough to understand why they think the way they do, but people that are effectively condemning Chappell for her stance ultimately don't align with my values on this point.

2 minutes ago, shadow2009 said:

Plenty of former celebrities leave the industry and have regular jobs.

Different people have different levels of fame, were already yesterday's news, have varying levels of attention...

Leaving the industry does not necessarily mean you get to live a quiet/normal life (particularly immediately), so I'm not going to pretend that someone at Chappell's level of fame would be able to easily leave the industry and live a peaceful life. And I still don't think she should try to unless she no longer wants to release her art for her fans/or be heard.

She shouldn't need to give up doing something she loves because people can't comprehend what's appropriate and what's not

Sitting back and accepting something when it's wrong shouldn't be the norm imo