37 minutes ago, danG said:

it's credited to Mel B on Spotify. I think it's just literally a case of no-one cares for it, the tracks have very pitiful stream counts.

I can’t find this anywhere on Australian streaming platforms. So I’m guessing it’s not available here.

1 hour ago, 777666jason said:

In Mel Bs defence if the sales are the same as 6 years ago we know noones returned it 🤣

It's actually a really lovely album, I have a massive soft spot for it. It's very simple and low budget, a complete contrast to her first which is overproduced by some of the biggest producers in the world at that time, yet it's vastly superior. Feels more honest and authentic.

6 minutes ago, Spiceboy said:

It's actually a really lovely album, I have a massive soft spot for it. It's very simple and low budget, a complete contrast to her first which is overproduced by some of the biggest producers in the world at that time, yet it's vastly superior. Feels more honest and authentic.

The first song sound like a knock off Frank sinatra song does it get better 😅

3 minutes ago, 777666jason said:

The first song sound like a knock off Frank sinatra song does it get better 😅

It doesn't sound anything like Frank Sinatra, what kind of reggae, swing, ratpack are you listening to? 😂

The ballads are the highlights of the album, Beautiful Girl, If I had my life again, Say, say, say and Hold on. I also love In too deep.

I’ve always liked The One That Got Away, so it’s nice to see that edging closer to a top 40 return.

Why did the OCC credit Shakira on Eurosummer yet refuse to credit Zara on Stateside?

40 minutes ago, Rob said:

Why did the OCC credit Shakira on Eurosummer yet refuse to credit Zara on Stateside?

They’re on different labels - I think the OCC will always go for the original unless the label requests otherwise (so I’m guessing Pink’s label didn’t request that Zara was credited)

Plus stateside has a million remixes, yes zaras is the most popular but if you credit 1 you credit all and it becomes a headache

Lol poor old Mel and her LA state of mind, most random sales update I’ve ever seen 🤣

Well done to Mel C on finally getting a top 3 album, I hope it manages to get some more sales down the line. She’s unlucky to not have been No.1 she would have two weeks ago. Also great to see Noah holding up well, when was the last time this many albums surpassed 10k in a week?

Additionally this week does show how much of an appalling job OCC are doing of the albums chart. Moving all the streams from one GH to another week on week is literally taking the Michael (and it’s double counted streams for the most part too). If they don’t decide to move it to a different GH next week the essential could hold for another week or two. On a positive note it’s nice to see the Bad album now back in the top 10, my personal favourite of his.

3 hours ago, Rob said:

Why did the OCC credit Shakira on Eurosummer yet refuse to credit Zara on Stateside?

I guess because this week is Eurosummer’s first entry? The original Stateside charted before the remix

The credits are whatever the labels request them to be, not sure why people are still not understanding this.

Of course Sharika label is gonna request to have her credited, its Sharika

19 hours ago, No Sleeep said:

Why wouldn’t they have nominated the Michael soundtrack? Surely he could’ve had his 11th #1 album if they had done so rather than just another week for The Essential

It wouldn’t have been number 1 as it doesn’t have many tracks on it so its streaming figure would have been much lower, whereas The Essential has most or all of Michael Jackson’s tracks 16 most streamed tracks on it.

If this article is to be believed (though Alan has completely contradicted what he said last week) - then last week the soundtrack was elected (but didn’t reach number 1 - despite first week physical sales), and one week earlier this year Number Ones was elected - so Michael Jackson’s record company are switching between albums.

I’m still not convinced that they would be bothered to keep switching like this - as the pattern still fits with the idea of the streams going to the compilation that WOULD chart highest with all its streams included - which would explain why when the streams of two albums are close (like The Beatles previously had) the albums can keep switching in and out of the chart.

7 minutes ago, GreyAsh said:

I’m still not convinced that they would be bothered to keep switching like this - as the pattern still fits with the idea of the streams going to the compilation that WOULD chart highest with all its streams included - which would explain why when the streams of two albums are close (like The Beatles previously had) the albums can keep switching in and out of the chart.

But surely that would still be 'The Essential' every week?

I'm not sure I'd believe the OCC are sophisticated enough to make the calculation you're suggesting considering they don't seem to even be able to follow the simple rule of '25% increase = reset to SCR' consistently.

15 minutes ago, GreyAsh said:

I’m still not convinced that they would be bothered to keep switching like this - as the pattern still fits with the idea of the streams going to the compilation that WOULD chart highest with all its streams included - which would explain why when the streams of two albums are close (like The Beatles previously had) the albums can keep switching in and out of the chart.

It is possible you’re right and there’s a hidden rule that’s never been publicised, probably automatically applied. Going back to the Beatles example though there were some weeks when Red charted, “1” charted with only the Blue tracks’ streams and Blue didn’t chart. This makes no sense based on your rule as Blue would obviously have charted higher than the weakened “1” in this scenario, plus Blue is always higher than Red so surely can’t lose to “1” if Red beats it. But there could be some strange imperfection in the algorithm I suppose.

Looking at the Top 100 streaming tracks this week, it is obvious why Essential was selected as the 15 MJ-related tracks in the Top 100 streaming are all on Essential, while only 10 are on Number Ones and 8 on the soundtrack. They may have assigned it to the soundtrack last week to 'give it a chance' but saw it had no chance this week so went for Essential. Since Essential has 38 tracks, Numbers Ones 18 tracks and the soundtrack only 13, it is unlikely that we will get the scenario where Essential isn't the strongest, but if they're allowed to nominate each week and one of the others looks likely to reach No.1 (except for Essential), don't be at all surprised if they switch the nomination....

Edited yesterday at 17:171 day by braindeadpj

Anyone know how they treat a medley? The soundtrack includes a medley of three songs - does the stream only count for the medley or 3 streams for the individual tracks - the soundtrack has only 7 of the Top 15 MJ streamed tracks if the former (8 if the latter).

Logically it'd only be the medley, but since they appear to count any version - remix/live etc as an album track even if that version is not on the album, who knows.....

Edited yesterday at 18:061 day by braindeadpj

7 hours ago, Bror said:

But surely that would still be 'The Essential' every week?

I'm not sure I'd believe the OCC are sophisticated enough to make the calculation you're suggesting considering they don't seem to even be able to follow the simple rule of '25% increase = reset to SCR' consistently.

It would be The Essential every week EXCEPT for weeks where sales of one of the other albums were high enough to overcome the streaming deficit. I think I remember a special edition of Number Ones being released, and likewise with the soundtrack: during release week sales are high enough to overcome the streaming deficit.

However, of course, release week is the same week that the record company might temporarily choose to elect the album that is being released/re-issued that week.

 

5 hours ago, braindeadpj said:

Anyone know how they treat a medley? The soundtrack includes a medley of three songs - does the stream only count for the medley or 3 streams for the individual tracks - the soundtrack has only 7 of the Top 15 MJ streamed tracks if the former (8 if the latter).

Logically it'd only be the medley, but since they appear to count any version - remix/live etc as an album track even if that version is not on the album, who knows.....

I’m pretty sure the medley would not count towards the individual tracks, but I can’t think of any examples from the streaming era.

 

7 hours ago, Julian_ said:

It is possible you’re right and there’s a hidden rule that’s never been publicised, probably automatically applied. Going back to the Beatles example though there were some weeks when Red charted, “1” charted with only the Blue tracks’ streams and Blue didn’t chart. This makes no sense based on your rule as Blue would obviously have charted higher than the weakened “1” in this scenario, plus Blue is always higher than Red so surely can’t lose to “1” if Red beats it. But there could be some strange imperfection in the algorithm I suppose.

This is fascinating. I wasn’t following the charts closely enough at the time, but I would love to look into this further if I had time to see if we could come up with any explanation between us.

I just assumed that either red and blue both charted or 1 charted, but as you say, this wasn’t always the case.

21 hours ago, GreyAsh said:

If this article is to be believed (though Alan has completely contradicted what he said last week) - then last week the soundtrack was elected (but didn’t reach number 1 - despite first week physical sales), and one week earlier this year Number Ones was elected - so Michael Jackson’s record company are switching between albums.

I’m still not convinced that they would be bothered to keep switching like this - as the pattern still fits with the idea of the streams going to the compilation that WOULD chart highest with all its streams included - which would explain why when the streams of two albums are close (like The Beatles previously had) the albums can keep switching in and out of the chart.

I'm quite sure Number Ones had more sales that week, as it was released for the first time on Vinyl. I also don't really buy the whole "the record company are constantly switching" idea. I think it's a case of Number Ones charting higher than Essential as it had Vinyl sales, then the Michael Soundtrack charting higher because it was a new release, with 4000+ physicals.

1 hour ago, Tom1991 said:

I'm quite sure Number Ones had more sales that week, as it was released for the first time on Vinyl. I also don't really buy the whole "the record company are constantly switching" idea. I think it's a case of Number Ones charting higher than Essential as it had Vinyl sales, then the Michael Soundtrack charting higher because it was a new release, with 4000+ physicals.

No, this is definitely not the case as discussed before.

Either the record company is switching (as Alan Jones claimed this week) OR the streams are allocated to the album that would chart higher with the streams allocated to it.

This week in the sales chart

7 Soundtrack

11 Number Ones

43 The Essential

Overall

1 The Essential

76 Soundtrack

Not charted - Number Ones

So the streams have been allocated to the least selling of the three.

In the case of Michael Jackson his sales have not been taken into consideration when working out which album gets priority.