December 17, 201015 yr I think what annoys most people about the X-Factor winners song is how the original versions - which are always superior - never perform as well as the karaoke cover version released by the winner. It's a real demonstration of the power of hype and promotion - when you think about it, TXF is really just a four month advert for SyCo. A cover version is simply a different interpretation of a song. Some are good, some bad. I happen to think Matt has done a very credible version and I haven`t heard Biffy moaning that much seeing as how they will be probably receive over £500k+ in royalties.
December 17, 201015 yr Matt`s made No 1 in Ireland (their chart Friday-Friday) 13K ahead of the Horse Outside crap. Friday to Thursday (inclusive), surely? Or Ireland wouldn't have a chart produced today.
December 17, 201015 yr Friday to Thursday (inclusive), surely? Or Ireland wouldn't have a chart produced today. You`re right of course.
December 17, 201015 yr Wk1 Wk2 Wk3 Wk4 2005 742180 132284 54192 31724 2006 571253 128077 39000 20400 2007 275742 119927 32098 16497 2008 576046 311887 104454 34440 2009 450838 195730 69792 21147 Avg 523212 177581 59907 24842 % of prev wk. 33.94 33.74 41.47 Just added up the 4 weeks of sales for Brookstein.. 960,380! Just 40k away from the Million?! Does anybody know if the single reached 1Million?! :D
December 17, 201015 yr Just added up the 4 weeks of sales for Brookstein.. 960,380! Just 40k away from the Million?! Does anybody know if the single reached 1Million?! :D 2005 was Shanye Ward.
December 17, 201015 yr I think what annoys most people about the X-Factor winners song is how the original versions - which are always superior - never perform as well as the karaoke cover version released by the winner. It's a real demonstration of the power of hype and promotion - when you think about it, TXF is really just a four month advert for SyCo. You could say the same about pop music in general, it's driven by hype and promotion, for example it's not hard to think that a song like Get Outta My Way or Better Than Today would have done a whole lot better if Rihanna or Katy Perry sang them instead of Kylie. It's never about quality, because quality is subjective and the charts are not supposed to be about claiming superiority in taste.
December 17, 201015 yr I think what annoys most people about the X-Factor winners song is how the original versions - which are always superior - never perform as well as the karaoke cover version released by the winner. It's a real demonstration of the power of hype and promotion - when you think about it, TXF is really just a four month advert for SyCo. two problems with "When We Collide" for me are why does Cardle sound like he's on helium for most of the song, I know it's the usual "Cowell-sounding production" but it really does sound like a female is singing the song unless that's the autotune or something and that key change that has to be in nearly every X-Factor song just really cheapens the song. In the original, the song soars with vocals sung by the other members of the band and I know Matt isn't in the position to do that, so why not use a choir or something? the key change with "Christmas bell" sounds is just far too cheesy, not sure why Cowell continues to tell his band/artists to do this it's not really that bad a cover but those two things I mentioned make the song vastly inferior to the original which isn't a classic Biffy song as I've said but it's still quite a good one
December 17, 201015 yr Just added up the 4 weeks of sales for Brookstein.. 960,380! Just 40k away from the Million?! Does anybody know if the single reached 1Million?! :D As already stated - 2005 was Shayne Ward's year (Steve Brookstein was the year before) check sales here: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=119822
December 17, 201015 yr two problems with "When We Collide" for me are why does Cardle sound like he's on helium for most of the song, I know it's the usual "Cowell-sounding production" but it really does sound like a female is singing the song unless that's the autotune or something and that key change that has to be in nearly every X-Factor song just really cheapens the song. In the original, the song soars with vocals sung by the other members of the band and I know Matt isn't in the position to do that, so why not use a choir or something? the key change with "Christmas bell" sounds is just far too cheesy, not sure why Cowell continues to tell his band/artists to do this it's not really that bad a cover but those two things I mentioned make the song vastly inferior to the original which isn't a classic Biffy song as I've said but it's still quite a good one I think what you are saying about the production of the X Factor winning single is true, not just regarding Matt's record but all of the previous winners. There is a limited time to produce all of the potential winners singles in the run up to the final hence the "Cowell-sounding production" that they all seem to have. To me its quite a bland sound so most of the covers tend to sound like watered down versions of the originals & just a bit sh*t (christmas bells). Though as mentioned in previous posts this has worked out ok for some of the winners singles, eg Hallelujah. I'm a noob to this forum & I'm surprised there isnt a music production discussion section (I may have just overlooked it)
December 17, 201015 yr I think what annoys most people about the X-Factor winners song is how the original versions - which are always superior - never perform as well as the karaoke cover version released by the winner. It's a real demonstration of the power of hype and promotion - when you think about it, TXF is really just a four month advert for SyCo. That's an incredibly lofty view. I prefer the Matt Cardle version of Many of Horror and I don't think it karaoke at all.
December 17, 201015 yr That's an incredibly lofty view. I prefer the Matt Cardle version of Many of Horror and I don't think it karaoke at all. Only in the sense that you don't get an automatic key change in your average karaoke performance.
December 17, 201015 yr Just added up the 4 weeks of sales for Brookstein.. 960,380! Just 40k away from the Million?! Does anybody know if the single reached 1Million?! :D The first is Shayne Ward, not Brockstein - I omitted him because the release date wasn't consistant with the others. Edit - sorry, just seen others have made that point, too. SW's 2nd week drop was 82% though - by far the biggest 2nd week decline. I can't remember offhand whether download sales were even chart-eligible at that point, but even if they were, the volume would have been insignificant. Edited December 17, 201015 yr by vidcapper
December 17, 201015 yr That's an incredibly lofty view. I prefer the Matt Cardle version of Many of Horror and I don't think it karaoke at all. But it's so...by the numbers! :( All X-Factor winners songs have been the cover equivilents of a colouring-in-book! Corny key change. Instrumentation drowned out by vocals and backing choir. No use of dynamics (or use of volume for the uninitiated, something the Biffy Clyro original did very well).
December 17, 201015 yr For the 2nd Year in a row, Cowell has had the Winner, Cover a Hit from earlier the same Year. In 2009, it was 'The Climb', which Miley Cyrus had already taken to No.11, in May of that Year. In 2010, it's Biffy Clyro's 'Many Of Horror', which they took to No.20 in the 30th January Chart. Simon can't even make the effort to look for past Years for the Winner's Cover, anymore. He knows it will be No.1, anyhow - so, he sees no reason to even think very much about what he chooses. People can praise 'The X Factor', & the Sales it produces, but, it does Zero for creativity. Nothing creative comes from it. No one can ever pretend that it does. (Even its biggest Fans know very well, that it is really a 'Glorified Karaoke Contest'). I hear that Shayne, & Joe, will be dumped, by Cowell, in 2011. It says it all really. He sees the Winner's as 'Products'. Once their Sales start to fall, he sees no reason - at all - to be loyal to them. I wonder when Matt's 'Sell By Date', will arrive?
December 17, 201015 yr Simon did not pick Matt's winner single, Matt did. Even if Matt didn't pick it, it would have been Dannii as she was Matt's mentor, not Simon. I think it's better if XF winners cover more recently released songs. It's also good that he's covered a song a little less well-known than most of the other winner's singles, as it's brought the original to public attention (although having said that it did sell 130k prior to Matt releasing his version which isn't that shabby)
December 17, 201015 yr For the 2nd Year in a row, Cowell has had the Winner, Cover a Hit from earlier the same Year. In 2009, it was 'The Climb', which Miley Cyrus had already taken to No.11, in May of that Year. In 2010, it's Biffy Clyro's 'Many Of Horror', which they took to No.20 in the 30th January Chart. Simon can't even make the effort to look for past Years for the Winner's Cover, anymore. He knows it will be No.1, anyhow - so, he sees no reason to even think very much about what he chooses. People can praise 'The X Factor', & the Sales it produces, but, it does Zero for creativity. Nothing creative comes from it. No one can ever pretend that it does. (Even its biggest Fans know very well, that it is really a 'Glorified Karaoke Contest'). I hear that Shayne, & Joe, will be dumped, by Cowell, in 2011. It says it all really. He sees the Winner's as 'Products'. Once their Sales start to fall, he sees no reason - at all - to be loyal to them. I wonder when Matt's 'Sell By Date', will arrive? on just about any label joe and shayne would be likely to get dropped with their sales this year, artists that don't sell and pass their 'sell by date' get dropped whoever they are and whatever label they are with. also i am no leona fan but bleeding love is probably one of the best songs of the last 10 years. why are people expecting the winners of the x factor to reinvent music, bruno mars is having huge success this year but to me he is an avergae singing and none of his songs are ground breaking. why are people not attacking him?
December 17, 201015 yr on just about any label joe and shayne would be likely to get dropped with their sales this year, artists that don't sell and pass their 'sell by date' get dropped whoever they are and whatever label they are with. also i am no leona fan but bleeding love is probably one of the best songs of the last 10 years. why are people expecting the winners of the x factor to reinvent music, bruno mars is having huge success this year but to me he is an avergae singing and none of his songs are ground breaking. why are people not attacking him? But to pass their "sell by date" in such a short time? That only reinforces the argument above, that the artist is not very good & has no more to deliver or they are quite literally dissposable in the eyes of the record company, as another short term cash cow (Cardle) as come along. Unfortunatley for the majority of these talent contest winner success is short lived. The dont seem to hold the interest of the public for very long & hence sales start to plummet & they get the boot from the label. And no that doesnt happen to most other established artists, the public & the record companies are happy to wait for years between album releases & the interest is still there.
December 17, 201015 yr But to pass their "sell by date" in such a short time? That only reinforces the argument above, that the artist is not very good & has no more to deliver or they are quite literally dissposable in the eyes of the record company, as another short term cash cow (Cardle) as come along. Unfortunatley for the majority of these talent contest winner success is short lived. The dont seem to hold the interest of the public for very long & hence sales start to plummet & they get the boot from the label. And no that doesnt happen to most other established artists, the public & the record companies are happy to wait for years between album releases & the interest is still there. How many new artists make it to 3 albums, very few. they have their 15 minutes and then get dropped. the record companies aren't out to lose money, no matter who it is. Apart from about 10% of all artists they are dissposable cash cows, and once the milk run dry they are gone. X factor is no different. As for your last line, the winners of x factor aren't established artists so why compare them to the likes of britney ect who are? Like with every new artist syco hopes the winner of the x factor will build a large fanbase quickly, because if they don't they will be losing money from them. every once in a while it happens (leona lewis, susan boyle, kelly clarkson) but it is only once in a while it happens away from x factor anyway (lady gaga, katy perry and rihanna).
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