In a surprise to nobody, cases are the highest in the North but rising rapidly in the south in almost a reverse of March/April according to Imperial College London.

 

Surely they have to at least put everybody in Tier 2.

Most people wear masks were I go out maybe 1/50 don’t.

 

Do you’d wear masks only in shops and public transport or generally everywhere?

Confirmed yesterday that Germany is going into a "soft" national lockdown for the month of November. Going shopping on Saturday is going to be f***ing wild with everyone stocking up. I might take a late lunch and go out tomorrow afternoon instead. :thinking:

 

 

It was needed, the situation is escalating rapidly and in some places, like Berlin, control has been lost completely. I wish we'd moved sooner into some form of proper lockdown in Berlin as this is at the very least this is a good 2-3 weeks overdue. In the grand scheme of things, the action country wide is rather quick and responsive to the situation going from being Berlin + a few bad but localised outbreaks to being "the whole country is f***ed" in less than a fortnight. We've acted properly at lot earlier in the second wave than the rest of Europe. Although I do wonder if this national lockdown would be strictly necessary had Berlin 1) Actually enforced its party ban properly and started handing out eyewatering fines for both the organisers and attendees at the illegal raves 2) Gone into a city-wide lockdown 2-3 weeks ago.

 

The prolonged level of low cases here defo lead to complacency

 

If we could have social distance like we did in Wales in July it would be much better but they don’t want to invest in that.

In fairness, i think there is a lot of things that Cardiff and Edinburgh would like to do but are unable to because London controls all the finances and are currently pretending this crisis doesn't exist. Much like they do for starving children.

Gobsmacked that Angela Merkel has given Germany "10 days to get the infection rate down" as opposed to imposing extra restrictions straight away. Has she been completely ignoring the worsening situation in France, Spain and the UK?! Makes me feel better about some of our government's decisions :')

20 days later....

 

 

 

Germany is at a lower point now than the UK was on October 9th and after proper sustained evidence that Germany is starting out on the Spanish/French/British autobahn of failure, we have taken the exit marked "early second lockdown" and the UK has what.................... a hopeless PM who has been more concerned with ensuring poor kids can't get food than on dealing with Coronavirus?

 

The UK Gov hasn't made any decisions. It went to war with Greater Manchester for a whole f***ing week, a week wasted and measured in increased cases and deaths.

 

 

This was a daft comment back then, but 20 days later it now looks like a CrazyChris comment.

The media is reporting that Birmingham and the West Midlands is set to move into Tier 3 next week - Andy Street and local councils are trying to agree the package of measures.

 

I'm not surprised, it feels like people are behaving exactly the same as the pre-tier system.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-...gh-the-air.html

 

Some interesting graphics explaining how Coronavirus is able to spread and a demonstration of how 'superspreader' events can occur, it also pretty clearly explains why the virus was easily controlled in warmer climates and during the peak of summer (with more people eating and meeting outdoors).

Telford and Wolverhampton are going into tier 2 on Saturday

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-...gh-the-air.html

 

Some interesting graphics explaining how Coronavirus is able to spread and a demonstration of how 'superspreader' events can occur, it also pretty clearly explains why the virus was easily controlled in warmer climates and during the peak of summer (with more people eating and meeting outdoors).

 

There is also of course the fact most of it now is probably a new mutation of the virus that originated in Spain which may be more easily spread than the original Covid.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-19-co...entists-2020-10

Edited October 29, 20204 yr by Salty Melody

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-...gh-the-air.html

 

Some interesting graphics explaining how Coronavirus is able to spread and a demonstration of how 'superspreader' events can occur, it also pretty clearly explains why the virus was easily controlled in warmer climates and during the peak of summer (with more people eating and meeting outdoors).

 

Brilliant article that

London tipped to go in to Tier 3 "within 2 -3 weeks"

If so, cue the mother of all street parties in 2 or 3 weeks minus 1 day.

If so, cue the mother of all street parties in 2 or 3 weeks minus 1 day.

 

Isn't the bigger problem that is put London in to Tier 3 (or Lockdown) then everyone just buggers off back to their family homes - hence why the spread happened in March/April. See the problems in Paris last night.. you can lock the place down but then people will just move elsewhere.

Yep that'll happen too, though a lot of folk I know still haven't bothered coming back in case it happened again. Likeliness is they never will!

Covid spreading faster in England than 'worst-case scenario', documents show

Covid is spreading "significantly" faster through England than even the government's predicted "worst-case" scenario, documents reveal.

 

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) says there are around four times as many people catching Covid than anticipated.

 

A "reasonable worst-case scenario" is used by officials and the NHS to plan for the months ahead.

 

It had estimated 85,000 deaths from Covid over the course of winter.

 

But an official Sage document, dated 14 October and published today, reveals we are in a worse position than expected.

 

Scientists crunching the numbers estimated that, by mid-October, there were between 43,000 and 74,000 people being infected with coronavirus every day in England.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54750775

A National Lockdown is apparently on the cards for England from Wednesday.

 

*Brenda from Bristol voice*

Yes, Boris to announce it on TV on Monday and it'll last a month apparently. All but essential shops, schools and nurseries and unis closed.

I'm torn. We've clearly lost control of the virus (although there are some positive signs in terms of cases stagnating, definitely in Scotland) but the economy is gonna be guttered. I do NOT think this government can give the help local businesses need, I already know some well loved places in Aberdeen that have had to shut.

 

It'll feel so weird going to school whilst a full lockdown is on. I mean how are we gonna be packed into corridors and queue in groups of 100 outside Tesco at Lunch like nothing's happened? I really really don't want school to close but imo we need a new system like S1-3 come in Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday morning whilst S4-6 come in Wednesday afternoon/Thursday/Friday or something.

 

We've just got the new Levels system in Scotland, I suppose if it's a full lockdown than Nicola will follow suit?

A National Lockdown is apparently on the cards for England from Wednesday.

 

*Brenda from Bristol voice*

 

I suspect it's true. Tbh I am not against that, there is some merit in it but only if businesses are supported and there is a clear pathway out of it.

 

There is absolutely no chance our hospitals are going to survive without some form of intervention.

A National Lockdown is apparently on the cards for England from Wednesday.

 

*Brenda from Bristol voice*

I see Boris still employing the „when Angela says lockdown I say lockdown“ model. The original uk one came around the same number of days after Germany’s was announced too

It’ll be really weird if Wales come out of our lockdown a few days after England go into theirs. Drakeford has said non essential shops, restaurants, gyms, etc will reopen from the 9th and that there will still be restrictions but local lockdowns will be no more with only a national approach from this point on.

 

I do feel that whatever happens in England will have an affect on Wales.