I do wish Starmer had specifically mentioned schools in that tweet. I’m need to convincing of his sincerity as I feel he may have fallen into Tory habits after past quotes from him demanding schools reopen.

I do wish Starmer had specifically mentioned schools in that tweet. I’m need to convincing of his sincerity as I feel he may have fallen into Tory habits after past quotes from him demanding schools reopen.

 

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Zoos first.

Zoos?

 

That would mean closing Parliament though..

 

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Why would you want the lockdown that flopped?

Why would you want the lockdown that flopped?

Because that lockdown is as effective as his leadership of the labour party

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Letter from Doctors’ Association UK calling for a national lockdown to be imposed immediately with extension to closure of ALL schools.

Are any of you scared of going to a hospital outpatients at present? I can hardly walk on my right leg, can hardly walk the dog for severe crippling pain and my GP wants to do an X-ray then maybe ultrasound. I've refused to go now as I may get Covid. Managing on painkillers. Wife spoke down at undertakers to a couple who's son, 24, died from it and he can only have caught it there after going for an X-Ray. He went nowhere else. It's alright my GP saying I won't catch it there if I wear a mask the whole time. It's in the air. Am not chancing it. Too many nurses, Dr's and ancillary staff have caught it too. Admittedly I may catch it on the bus, in Tesco or Asda, but think it's far likelier at the hospital. :)

Edited January 3, 20214 yr by common sense

On what basis do you make that conclusion?

 

The same one that had London in Tier 2 at the end of lockdown and ended up with this huge infection rate? Or is it the now inevitable spread of the more transmissible varient to the rest of the UK?

 

Sir Keir speaks ...

 

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Because London is densley populated and the very way it is set up means the virus can spread like wildfire. I'd be shocked if we had case rates of 900 per 100,000 population with the current measures. It's not even that bad across the whole of the South East where it originated, so while yes I could see areas having 300-400 cases, trebling to 900 seems a bit of a stretch.

 

I'm a big fan of Stamer too but he is playing the politics here. What good is it going to do shutting gyms and a few shops here and there across the rest of the country? (ignoring the fact they're already closed in 80% of England) Absolutely naff all.

Are any of you scared of going to a hospital outpatients at present? I can hardly walk on my right leg, can hardly walk the dog for severe crippling pain and my GP wants to do an X-ray then maybe ultrasound. I've refused to go now as I may get Covid. Managing on painkillers. Wife spoke down at undertakers to a couple who's son, 24, died from it and he can only have caught it there after going for an X-Ray. He went nowhere else. It's alright my GP saying I won't catch it there if I wear a mask the whole time. It's in the air. Am not chancing it. Too many nurses, Dr's and ancillary staff have caught it too. Admittedly I may catch it on the bus, in Tesco or Asda, but think it's far likelier at the hospital. :)

 

You just have to run the risk up Chris, you may catch it at the hospital but you may not too. I suspect you are far likely to catch it off one of the fellow patients rather than someone who works there. As with all things you may catch covid, or it may be that you might not be able to walk again.

The bus is probably the most risky I would have to say, I think I have caught many colds/flu in the past I think from people coughing on the bus. Mind you that was of course before the pandemic and when people were wearing masks. I haven't used the bus since early March.

The bus is probably the most risky I would have to say,

 

 

We're in Tier 4 here, maybe a tough Tier 5 soon yet so many still not wearing masks on buses. :rolleyes: Why can't BTP enforce it? Am not saying the drivers should as there's some violent people about. Today I saw guy with little girl, 4 or 5. She had a mask but no sign of his. I'm exempt but wear one now.

Edited January 3, 20214 yr by common sense

Essex council, at a virtual emergency meeting, has decided to keep all schools closed for now. Many other LA's are expected to follow according to reports tonight.

I have received an email from my union with the letter attached to inform my headteacher that it is not safe for me to work on school with all children back. I’m not taking any immediate action as we are not expecting any children back until the 11th and I’d rather see how everything plays out. It’s a huge stress as I genuinely don’t believe schools are safe right now but I also feel guilty if I take this course of action and others don’t. Not sure what the other unions are doing at present.

 

 

I have received an email from my union with the letter attached to inform my headteacher that it is not safe for me to work on school with all children back. I’m not taking any immediate action as we are not expecting any children back until the 11th and I’d rather see how everything plays out. It’s a huge stress as I genuinely don’t believe schools are safe right now but I also feel guilty if I take this course of action and others don’t. Not sure what the other unions are doing at present.

 

 

What about your colleagues? Have you spoken to some? Do they not agree with you that it's not safe?

I have received an email from my union with the letter attached to inform my headteacher that it is not safe for me to work on school with all children back. I’m not taking any immediate action as we are not expecting any children back until the 11th and I’d rather see how everything plays out. It’s a huge stress as I genuinely don’t believe schools are safe right now but I also feel guilty if I take this course of action and others don’t. Not sure what the other unions are doing at present.

 

I think all the unions will be aligned on this matter - another forum I browse has had someone say exactly the same thing (don't know which union they are with either). I think what we will find is lots of markets won't send their kids back to school as its not safe, which I totally agree with, it's not safe for teachers and their parents. I wouldn't feel guilty at all about it, this situation is almost as bad as March -on 29 December there were 79,818 positive cases. So that's 100,000 in all honesty taking asympomatic cases in to effect. This week will be grim in terms of the numbers - schools are not safe to be. Shut them all down for 2-3 weeks and bring everyone back in stages.

What about your colleagues? Have you spoken to some? Do they not agree with you that it's not safe?

 

To be honest, I haven’t spoken with them. I’m on holiday, despite all the stress I feel right now. I’m officially at work tomorrow so will discuss things then. I have had an email from my union rep and she says she’s not happy to work in school whilst all students are in but will happily be there if only key worker and vulnerable children are in. I feel the same. She also advised not to take action yet as we will not be fully open this week regardless, which is in line with how I feel.

 

It’s more important for teachers in schools that are set to fully reopen this week. I’m also waiting to see what my Head has to say about it all.

To be honest, I haven’t spoken with them. I’m on holiday, despite all the stress I feel right now. I’m officially at work tomorrow so will discuss things then. I have had an email from my union rep and she says she’s not happy to work in school whilst all students are in but will happily be there if only key worker and vulnerable children are in. I feel the same. She also advised not to take action yet as we will not be fully open this week regardless, which is in line with how I feel.

 

It’s more important for teachers in schools that are set to fully reopen this week. I’m also waiting to see what my Head has to say about it all.

 

 

Okay I see.

Because London is densley populated and the very way it is set up means the virus can spread like wildfire. I'd be shocked if we had case rates of 900 per 100,000 population with the current measures. It's not even that bad across the whole of the South East where it originated, so while yes I could see areas having 300-400 cases, trebling to 900 seems a bit of a stretch.

 

Brigend currently has 855 cases per 100,000. It has a population density of ~578 people per square km. There are ~175 or so counties in the UK with a population density similar or more.

 

And what do you mean it's not that bad across the whole of the south east?! :lol: Lots of areas are now at 600-800 cases per 100,000 with quite a few 900+ now and it's only increasing. It can easily spread like wildfire in less densely populated areas than London.

You just have to run the risk up Chris, you may catch it at the hospital but you may not too. I suspect you are far likely to catch it off one of the fellow patients rather than someone who works there. As with all things you may catch covid, or it may be that you might not be able to walk again.

 

Yeah Chris if you do decide to go, I would advise you to treat it as a high risk zone ie. use mask and face shield when you go, don't touch your face on the way back and completely change your clothes and shower when you get home as it can land on surfaces.

 

Because London is densley populated and the very way it is set up means the virus can spread like wildfire. I'd be shocked if we had case rates of 900 per 100,000 population with the current measures. It's not even that bad across the whole of the South East where it originated, so while yes I could see areas having 300-400 cases, trebling to 900 seems a bit of a stretch.

 

London isn't the only densely populated area in the UK, and besides the Tier 2 justification was 'sufficient hospital capacity' - it's substantially lower in other parts of the UK.