What the hell is happening here on this thread :rofl:

You have to do what you have to do to get #1 albums this day, it's hard to sell albums now so it comes down to how smart the artist / label is regardless of popularity or music. Taylor's team clearly saw an opportunity as to how fast her signed albums usually get snapped up and ran with it. Regardless or not as to whether she signed all of her copies, the album charts would be so dead and boring if the artists put this kind of effort in.

Fake number 1’s just because she signed copies of her own album?

 

Surely a sale is sale no matter what variant / product / bundle / versions.

 

Loads of artists sign cd’s / Vinyl’s etc but most get nowhere near 1k let alone 30k.

 

It still shows an artists popularity IMO.

Among other things, multiple people still not grasping the concept of album sales not being counted until they're shipped, judging by the assertion that she's just conveniently sold 30k in one day after losing the #1 slot. (sammy01 nowhere to be seen?)

Nefarious, underhanded, dirty tactics to get to number one.

 

Personally, Taylor Swift's album shouldn't be even be classed as a new album, it's basically the same as the original Red album.

 

Charts should only include: CD, vinyl, cassette, streaming. Anything else, including signed copies should not be included. Then you will get real sales, not fake ass desperate ones.

Nefarious, underhanded, dirty tactics to get to number one.

 

Personally, Taylor Swift's album shouldn't be even be classed as a new album, it's basically the same as the original Red album.

 

Charts should only include: CD, vinyl, cassette, streaming. Anything else, including signed copies should not be included. Then you will get real sales, not fake ass desperate ones.

 

 

Not a Taylor fan by any chance? Haha!

Not a Taylor fan by any chance? Haha!

 

I'm not a fan of any artist using these tactics, it's misleading and erroneous.

 

Nefarious, underhanded, dirty tactics to get to number one.

 

Personally, Taylor Swift's album shouldn't be even be classed as a new album, it's basically the same as the original Red album.

 

Charts should only include: CD, vinyl, cassette, streaming. Anything else, including signed copies should not be included. Then you will get real sales, not fake ass desperate ones.

 

God, you must be RAGING every single week at the album charts - Elton John, London Grammar, Tom Jones, Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Manic Street Preachers, Sam Fender, Dave, KSI, Wolf Alice etc., all getting their fake #1 albums by selling signed copies :rofl:

I just really don’t understand the logic? She cheated her way to number one because people bought her album? Surely if anything that’s arguably the fairest way of all to get #1…

Exactly

Among other things, multiple people still not grasping the concept of album sales not being counted until they're shipped, judging by the assertion that she's just conveniently sold 30k in one day after losing the #1 slot. (sammy01 nowhere to be seen?)

I actually think it's when the order is "processed" that the sales are counted, regardless of whether it's shipped (processed doesn't necessarily mean shipped). They can be processed and then hang around in the warehouse waiting to be dispatched. Which I'm finding has been the case for a few artists who release via Universal's music stores <_<

 

(Taylor was marked as "processed" for me yesterday, but I've had no dispatch email and I've not received it. Granted, it's been one day - but my order of The Wanted was also processed days ago and hasn't dispatched yet lol. I'm sure my sales for both artists are already accounted for in the midweeks.)

I think it’s totally fair for artists to have signed copies but 30k is an incredible amount. I’m very doubtful she actually signed all those. At least with Ed he probably did sit there and sign a few thousand. I think it’s pushing the limit of acceptability is my frank opinion. Everyone would be kicking off if Ed had 30k of signed albums he suddenly had added to his sales midweek.

Any info on where Mariah is at the moment?

Among other things, multiple people still not grasping the concept of album sales not being counted until they're shipped, judging by the assertion that she's just conveniently sold 30k in one day after losing the #1 slot. (sammy01 nowhere to be seen?)

 

That isn't what I said, I said shipping has nothing to do with it its when the label decide to report those sales. Unless you also think that all 30k shipped on the exact same day? Of course not they have all just been reported the same day.

 

Exactly what Jay said above. So when fans sit going my copy hasn't shipped yet so there is another sale it means absolutely nothing as if it processed the sale might have already been reported.

Edited November 17, 20214 yr by sammy01

God, you must be RAGING every single week at the album charts - Elton John, London Grammar, Tom Jones, Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Manic Street Preachers, Sam Fender, Dave, KSI, Wolf Alice etc., all getting their fake #1 albums by selling signed copies :rofl:

 

Nope, because as I stated earlier, I very rarely look at the charts, and this is one of the reasons why. Fake sales, fake number one.

 

I actually think it's when the order is "processed" that the sales are counted, regardless of whether it's shipped (processed doesn't necessarily mean shipped). They can be processed and then hang around in the warehouse waiting to be dispatched. Which I'm finding has been the case for a few artists who release via Universal's music stores <_<

 

(Taylor was marked as "processed" for me yesterday, but I've had no dispatch email and I've not received it. Granted, it's been one day - but my order of The Wanted was also processed days ago and hasn't dispatched yet lol. I'm sure my sales for both artists are already accounted for in the midweeks.)

 

I stand corrected. Though that still has functionally the same effect (although it does make you wonder why labels apparently don't always 'process' all pre-orders immediately upon the start of the designated release week if they are able to do that before physically shipping them).

How do you know that all of those 30k are signed units?

wow! 25k signed Voyage cd's just hit the ABBA store, Taylors party is swiftly over

Sounds to me like BlackNBlue has logged on to a few alias accounts to spread their disdain about this Taylor album release :')

Charts should only include: CD, vinyl, cassette, streaming. Anything else, including signed copies should not be included. Then you will get real sales, not fake ass desperate ones.

This is a moot point when such a high percentage of the album chart is made up of streaming units anyway. So "real sales" is a loose concept to start with.

 

Every physical sale Taylor has achieved is by definition "real" though, because the people buying them have made the conscious choice to order it and part with their money!

 

If OCC clamped down on the number of formats artists are allowed, sales would become more dire than they currently are. Clearly OCC welcome the labels to go as wild as they want to with formats! Labels need to do this to make money out of albums these days.

 

Relatively speaking, Taylor has been very restrained by having only one CD and one vinyl. The doubts about whether she could have possibly signed so many copies is valid, and it boils down to personal opinion because we've not seen her signing 30k copies :kink: but I think it's funny that Taylor is copping so much flack in this thread when her label absolutely could have gone far crazier with Red and had multiple different CDs/Vinyl/Cassettes if they had chosen to.