Yet they last about as long as or longer than most artists' normal eras (one of the by-products of the streaming eras with people releasing 1-2 singles then the album and basically done with the era). She most certainly doesn't "kinda throws them out there" - they are planned with many formats for the albums, a number of original songs and a music video or two filmed.

 

Additionally, everytime a TV album is released her whole catalogue gets a boost.

 

It's amazing just what level she's on and for the most part her overexposure isn't entirey her fault. Like for instance her new boyfriend - she gets more screen time when watching one of his games than he does during the game (media's fault) :lol:

They last longer than most artists' normal eras because it's Taylor Swift. The biggest artist in the world right now. I imagine if she was to release a live album (something that major artists have done but are never guaranteed #1) or something, it would storm to #1 with sales that most artists now would die for on opening week, and it'd still hang around due to it being Taylor. I feel like '1989' is the only TV album that had so many variants (like a "normal" album release). 'Fearless' and 'Red' most certainly didn't. 'Speak Now' had 3 different shades of purple (and weren't staggered iirc - all on sale at the same time, so people had a choice whether to buy all 3 or just one etc..) vinyl, but was pushed aside almost immediately as not long after that (about a month or so? Icr) she announced '1989 TV'.

 

But even with those, they hang around the charts, sure, but Taylor never really promotes them beyond their first weeks like she would a new album. So I would definitely say they are more or less "just thrown out there", regardless of how many formats are available etc... (which surely only benefits mainly in the opening week sales? - not sure I can think of many people who would think, week 3 into an albums release "oh I should get all of those variants of that album")

 

EDIT: Also the last part about her getting more screen time etc... someone worked it out and she gets like half a minute of screen time across and entire 3+ hours game of Football :lol:

 

She hasn't had one of those hits that you just cant escape from like Someone like you, Hello or Shape of you. We are also in an era where tv performances are so few. You can be absolutely huge these days but still be sort of in a bubble. Like she is huge on Instagram but only if you use Instagram or follow her does that matter.

 

Adele/Ed at their peak were everywhere, Brits, X factor, big TV chat shows, ITV specials and so on. You can easily not really know a Taylor Swift song or who she really is if you want.

 

Most people wont even know how many albums Taylor has. Again it isn't like Adele where you were hit in the face with a big stand with her new album in every supermarket.

 

What Taylor does have is fans now can add waaaaay more sales to an artist than before. The multiple formats and endless streaming mean Taylor fans add way more album sales to her now than my 1 copy of Spice back in 1996 that I played endlessly.

Idk... I think (most) people would know 'Shake It Off' was a Taylor Swift song...

Idk... I think (most) people would know 'Shake It Off' was a Taylor Swift song...

 

 

This is a good example tbf, I didn't think of that one.

It's not overkill for me! :dance:

An easy #1 debut and very possibly the highest opening sales of the year too. I think it will be in excess of 150k but perhaps falling short of what Midnights managed. It could be higher if there’s a pre album single what takes off but if it’s a we get everything with the album I’m expecting around that figure.

 

I do think she could also manage a #1 single here on release week too as streaming will no doubt be huge but will probably have three tracks inside the top 5 come release week anyways.

 

Finally, I can see why some may feel Taylor’s overexposed to me she’s not quite reached take an immediate break levels yet. In the streaming era where TV and promotion in general isn’t as focused upon you doing well you can easily just choose to not listen to Taylor / follow her releases - you might see them promoted but you can just as easily be unaware. I do think a break will benefit her once her Eras tour and re-recordings are complete though.

 

It’s not quite the same as she wasn’t re-recording past work but Rihanna’s schedule through from 2007 - mid 2013 felt a lot more

prominent (particularly from the Rated R release through to mid 2013) but that was in a paid sales era with albums dropping at a quick rate mixed with touring, relentless promo and radio play and also featuring as a guest artist on other releases.

Overexposed yes, and whilst she has a zillion fans, my socials are full of people who clearly don't rate her - She's becoming more marmite by the day.

 

She does little for me musically, but I do recognise her song writing brilliance - although there is a real sameness about her themes, and lately not much evolution. I mean how many more songs can there be about English boys that have done her wrong! I also find her whole girl-squad antics really childish. Back to the topic, yes it will be a huge No.1, but I'm predicting that we are at the peak of Taylor's imperial phase, and I wonder whether the appetite will be there in 5 years time.

 

6 people genuinely believe this won't get to #1 and will open with less than 50k? Are they on drugs or are they just trolling? :unsure:

 

Could one of those people justify why they went for that? If it's genuine, I'd love to hear your reasoning!

Edited February 7, 20241 yr by Mangø

186k will be my random guess, don't see it doing quite as well as Midnights but will be huge regardless

 

(and #2 behind a surprise Adele coming back rollier than ever)

I'm almost certain it will cross 200K, and most likely will sell more than Midnights. There are bound to be some more variants, etc, too.

 

As for the "overexposure" argument, it seems she is almost immune to it, and her popularity isn't faltering at all. And people having a problem with her releasing albums are just weird, she's a musician so it's kiiiiinda her job (did you get used to lazy artists waiting 8 years to put out their album whilst stringing their fans along? lol)

Edited February 7, 20241 yr by GraceAJX

Went with 100k , it's a tricky one as the title screams folklore/ Evermore, which weren't massive out the block but have massive longevity,

 

But then noone expected 200k for midnight's, also when was the last time Q2 release did over 100k,

 

But then noone expected 200k for midnight's, also when was the last time Q2 release did over 100k,

Harry Styles?

Harry Styles?

Harry's House sold 113,812 in its first week.

Harry Styles?

 

Yeah just looked Harry's house opened up with 113k in May 2022, thought it was longer than that

It’s crazy to think that ‘Fine Line’ debuted behind Rod Stewart and Stormzy - I don’t think that would happen now!

 

Hopefully it’ll reach #1 with an anniversary re-release in the future. :lol:

I opted for No1 and over 200k. Personally I’m not surprised she’s releasing the 11th album this year as many have said, she’s pretty much chucked one out every 2 years roughly, more the timing I was surprised at as I thought she’d have picked Q4.

 

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if she challenges 30 or beats it for first week sales. So 250/300k with a massive second week drop wouldn’t surprise me, depends on how exhausted everyone is by then and of course how the album is received.

 

I can see why people are making the overexposed comments and I sort of agree, it’s more saturation at this point. Even though the TVs are fundamentally not new albums the promotion/hype around them (especially 1989) it does feel a bit like we’ve just had an era of sorts, so I can see why people are a bit worn out. Personally I’m intrigued to see how it sounds, I feel like it might be in the same vibe as midnights.

 

 

As for the "overexposure" argument, it seems she is almost immune to it, and her popularity isn't faltering at all. And people having a problem with her releasing albums are just weird, she's a musician so it's kiiiiinda her job (did you get used to lazy artists waiting 8 years to put out their album whilst stringing their fans along? lol)

 

Overexposure doesn't equate to popularity though. You can be hugely successful/popular and overexposed (Taylor) or the opposite can happen and you're overexposed and unpopular. I would say she's immune to it from a chart perspective, but her personal life seems to suffer (people tracking her private jet, stalkers etc unfortunately).

 

Also I don't have any problem with her releasing albums - I was disputing the TVs almost being excluded as eras by some when (due in part to how huge Taylor is) they are more successful/massive than 99% of normal albums other artists bring out. Once her latest album is released, she would've released/re-released 8 albums in 4 years which is an insane pace (might be 9 if she releases the Reputation TV later this year).

 

I 100% wish my favourite artists released as regularly as Taylor (just her normal album pace!).

 

I think another factor to also consider is the way social media and their alogorithms work. As someone who really enjoys pop music, it's not surprising I tend to see lots of things about Taylor on social media etc. Whereas others may not have Taylor appear on their timelines. So that also plays a factor into whether some feel like she's overexposed or not.

 

All in all though I'm looking forward to seeing just how big her numbers get, but I am also looking forward to her (hopefully) taking a well deserved break once she's finished with the TVs, touring and original albums (I have a feeling she's going to release another original album before or after releasing her final TV).

 

 

 

 

I think one of the problems about the current over exposue is that in time none of the recent eras will stand out from each other, i know the music scene has changed a lot that way, but its nice to be able to relate songs to certain eras for artists years after the release and for me i find all of Taylors recent releases feel like they are from one on going release.

#1

150-159k

Doesn't Feel Strong Either Way. Although I guess I could do with it not every couple of months but honestly I'd feel most were most artists could be overexposed if they were ever present in the chart without having some semi big breathers in between lol!

Went with over 200k (#1), think it could do anything up to 250k, but equally wouldn't be surprised with 170-180k or 180-190k, it's just that those are smaller brackets. Huge sales by 2024 standards anyway.

 

Don't feel strongly either way, probably not as everything she's put out seems to be well-received by her fanbase. Perhaps the difference with Ed a couple of years ago was the number of high-profile collaborations he was appearing on (similar with Rihanna in the early 2010s and Khalid around 2018) which meant continuous exposure outside the more receptive audience.

This discussion of "over saturation" is interesting. Her fanbase is huge and she has gained so many new fans since the Lover era (which now in retrospect, was a tiny underperformance until the album tracks went viral). She is a master of moving the fanbase, and her hardcore fans (millions around the world) will do anything for her.

 

But when it comes to general public, I don't know if Taylor actually has many classic songs/albums that everybody knows? Cruel Summer is going to be one, Shake It Off, Blank Space, maybe something else? It will be very interesting to take a look at her legacy hits-wise in, let's say 20 years. Many of her high charting hits (like the recent #1 Is It Over Now) have had zero or very little impact in broader scale.

Edited February 8, 20241 yr by Sour Candy

Shake it off, Blank Space and Anti-Hero everybody knows