The first task those two young presenters are likely to have on Friday will be to inform listeners that last week's #1 has fallen right out of the Top 40. At least it won't have anything to do with ACR. I missed the show when 3 Lions fell 1-97, did they announce that it wasn't Top 40 at the start?

 

I'm surprised Vossi Bop isn't in Stormzy's first three - it must have had a reset. Someone You Loved holding on at #40(!) well, now it'll probably break the record for consecutive weeks in the Monday mid Top 40 (whatever that's worth), but in reality that's the run over, maybe it'll stay Top 50 but I won't hold my breath.

 

Jessie J could get a first chart hit since 2015. Jingle Bell Rock should at last give Bobby Helms a 4th Top 40 hit 61 years after his 3rd, while 50 years after Jose Feliciano's second Top 75 hit he should finally, finally, get there again!!

I'm like 99% sure that rule is there entirely for show and the only requirement to be put back on SCR is a label requesting it. It's already demonstrably true that they don't follow the rule literally (it claims songs need to be outside the top 100 for the reset to be granted, which was not the case for 'Good As Hell' for example). I really doubt the OCC has any standard of their own for what counts as 'active promotion'.

 

I missed the show when 3 Lions fell 1-97, did they announce that it wasn't Top 40 at the start?

 

I think they did?

Here for SIA to finally go top 20 this year!!

Here for SIA to finally go top 20 this year!!

I still think it's bizarre that "Santa's Coming For Us" is the song they led with and is most known with her Christmas project! A fair few better tracks on there.

The record company didn’t request it.

Is this an assumption or do you actually know this?...

The first task those two young presenters are likely to have on Friday will be to inform listeners that last week's #1 has fallen right out of the Top 40.

 

 

It might be No.40. :D

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Kelly is so close to top 20, really hope she can get into the top 20 would be so cool to go from a top 30 hit to a top 20 hit! :wub:

Is this an assumption or do you actually know this?...

 

Well if they had requested it she wouldn’t be on ACR...

I still think it's bizarre that "Santa's Coming For Us" is the song they led with and is most known with her Christmas project! A fair few better tracks on there.

 

I genuinely love it but there's so many other tracks that are great and some are even more well known than it like Candy Cane Lane. I've heard her used a lot in the background of tv ads.

Well if they had requested it she wouldn’t be on ACR...

Or the OCC declined it, which is entirely possible.

I'm like 99% sure that rule is there entirely for show and the only requirement to be put back on SCR is a label requesting it. It's already demonstrably true that they don't follow the rule literally (it claims songs need to be outside the top 100 for the reset to be granted, which was not the case for 'Good As Hell' for example). I really doubt the OCC has any standard of their own for what counts as 'active promotion'.

I think they did?

I think it's sensible that the OCC are allowing resets without the track needing to be outside the top 100. I can understand why the rule exists but if a track is taking off in a natural way while on ACR it's difficult to get it back outside the top 100. The label would have to remove the track from all streaming sites which is a bit silly.

 

The rule should be limited to just the top 40. Once a track gets into the top 40 it's not really necessary to reset it back to SCR.

 

As for active promotion I take this as meaning that there's at least a push being put on the track. Maybe a new video, radio pluggers etc. But yes, the label just need to confirm it is being actively promoted. I don't think they have to provide evidence of it though the OCC could ask the label for proof if there was any doubt.

 

One thing I do wonder about is how older (much older) tracks are treated. If you think back to the 1980s and early 1990s we had a spate of old songs being reactivated as a result of being featured in jeans adverts and films. If that was to happen now I wonder if the OCC would allow a reset if a request was made?

 

I hope Camila can push past the Xmas rush and into the top 40

I hope Camila can push past the Xmas rush and into the top 40

Doubt it, but she'll definitely be there next week so it doesn't matter so much

I think it's sensible that the OCC are allowing resets without the track needing to be outside the top 100. I can understand why the rule exists but if a track is taking off in a natural way while on ACR it's difficult to get it back outside the top 100. The label would have to remove the track from all streaming sites which is a bit silly.

 

The rule should be limited to just the top 40. Once a track gets into the top 40 it's not really necessary to reset it back to SCR.

 

As for active promotion I take this as meaning that there's at least a push being put on the track. Maybe a new video, radio pluggers etc. But yes, the label just need to confirm it is being actively promoted. I don't think they have to provide evidence of it though the OCC could ask the label for proof if there was any doubt.

 

One thing I do wonder about is how older (much older) tracks are treated. If you think back to the 1980s and early 1990s we had a spate of old songs being reactivated as a result of being featured in jeans adverts and films. If that was to happen now I wonder if the OCC would allow a reset if a request was made?

 

I agree with the first part, I only brought that up to make the point that you can never trust what the OCC's rules literally say. Although I don't think the possibility of being reset to SCR should be limited at all, if a song is being pushed again and should be charting higher than it is but is being held down it should be allowed to get reset manually whether that's the difference between #1 and low top 10, top 5 and top 20 or top 40 and top 100 or whatever. It's possible they do have some sort of standards for what 'active promotion' amounts to but I would guess only in as much as they might reject a label request for a reset if they felt it was unwarranted (although I'm not entirely sure this is even true given they granted a seemingly totally unexplainable reset to RAYE a few weeks ago, not accompanied by anything that resembled a new promo push as far as I could tell), I doubt they would put an old song back on SCR of their own volition.

 

I still think the greatest likelihood is that Mariah / the people around Mariah simply don't care enough about the intricacies of the UK chart to have bothered asking the OCC for it to be reset. And if they have, they got rejected. Either way, it's been clear for weeks that the reset almost certainly wasn't happening.

2 new Mariah AIWFC videos added to YouTube (Celeb Version & Behind The Scenes) - Snatching up those streams :cheer:

I agree with the first part, I only brought that up to make the point that you can never trust what the OCC's rules literally say. Although I don't think the possibility of being reset to SCR should be limited at all, if a song is being pushed again and should be charting higher than it is but is being held down it should be allowed to get reset manually whether that's the difference between #1 and low top 10, top 5 and top 20 or top 40 and top 100 or whatever. It's possible they do have some sort of standards for what 'active promotion' amounts to but I would guess only in as much as they might reject a label request for a reset if they felt it was unwarranted (although I'm not entirely sure this is even true given they granted a seemingly totally unexplainable reset to RAYE a few weeks ago, not accompanied by anything that resembled a new promo push as far as I could tell), I doubt they would put an old song back on SCR of their own volition.

 

I still think the greatest likelihood is that Mariah / the people around Mariah simply don't care enough about the intricacies of the UK chart to have bothered asking the OCC for it to be reset. And if they have, they got rejected. Either way, it's been clear for weeks that the reset almost certainly wasn't happening.

I think for Mariah her people were only interested in getting her to the top of the Billboard Hot 100. Had the equivalent of SCR/ACR existed on their chart I'd imagine they would have pushed for a reset. As you say, I doubt they are bothered about how the single does in the UK as they know it's bound to be top 5 anyway. I believe some record labels find the way the UK charts work, with its myriad of rules, very cumbersome and confusing.

 

I wish Mariah's team pushed for a reset after the work they have put in but I agree a US number 1 is what they really wanted and achieved it. Good to see Kelly Clarkson heading for a new peak and hopefully top 20. I like when older songs get new peaks and every year some of the older Christmas songs are getting new peaks which is great.

I genuinely love it but there's so many other tracks that are great and some are even more well known than it like Candy Cane Lane. I've heard her used a lot in the background of tv ads.

Yeah the songs do get used a lot as TV background music which is great exposure even if just to slowly get the songs into people's subconciouses. I really thought the album might sneak into the Top 100 this year but clearly not. 'Santa's Coming For Us' is great but I would have loved it if she'd promoted a different song from it each year. 'Ho Ho Ho' is fast becoming my favourite modern Christmas song :wub:

The camila track isnt a cover of aqua is it ?

Yeah the songs do get used a lot as TV background music which is great exposure even if just to slowly get the songs into people's subconciouses. I really thought the album might sneak into the Top 100 this year but clearly not. 'Santa's Coming For Us' is great but I would have loved it if she'd promoted a different song from it each year. 'Ho Ho Ho' is fast becoming my favourite modern Christmas song :wub:

I've certainly heard "Underneath The Christmas Lights" used for an advert for a TV show this Christmas; last week "Ho Ho Ho" was the first dance at a wedding (also my favourite of her Christmas songs too and up there with my favourite modern Christmas songs!) and my other half is obsessively loving "Puppies Are Forever" this Christmas :lol: a real mixed bag!