lmao the delusion of grandeur is STAGGERING :')

Boris is totally right to put the UK first before the EU though. Remember he wants the best outcome for US and not them and I for one am behind him all the way. I know from reading Twitter and newspaper comments that many many others are too. They're fed up and just want Brexit over and done with now and see Boris as strong and the leader to do it.

So tell me, what is so great about what's happening here that you're behind Boris all the way?

 

The people that agree with you / are fed up and just want Brexit to be "over" are the same people that voted for all of this in the first place, that had absolutely no idea the shit show they'd create, how embarrassing a place they've made the UK to live in, and, like mald487 says, come January are the ones that are going to be in for a seriously rude awakening.

How about the exact opposite. "The UK is a strong country with a strong PM who won't be messed with and will stand up for his country no matter what"

 

I don't think the EU thought Boris was this tough when he became PM. I bet they thought with his bumbling and jovial personality that he was an easy pushover compared to May. Well they thought wrong as he's quite willing to walk away with no deal.

I think there'll be a last gasp trade deal though and apparently many Tory MP's believe that.

 

We’ve just done practically what we all turn our noses up at the likes of China, Iran, Russia etc. Do when they break international treaties. What the Tories have just done is shit all over international law. If you don’t like the treaty, don’t fuking sign it. Don’t care how much want people want Brexit or how much chat they shit.

 

The backbenchers won’t revolt now, but you can be sure as hell some of them smell a leadership contest coming up

Boris in 2019: no, you can't read the bill before we vote in favour of it, I fire you for even asking to!

 

Boris now: the bill doesn't work, it's useless, I fire you unless you vote against it!

 

The bill is the exact same bill both times.

How about the exact opposite. "The UK is a strong country with a strong PM who won't be messed with and will stand up for his country no matter what"

 

I don't think the EU thought Boris was this tough when he became PM. I bet they thought with his bumbling and jovial personality that he was an easy pushover compared to May. Well they thought wrong as he's quite willing to walk away with no deal.

I think there'll be a last gasp trade deal though and apparently many Tory MP's believe that.

I'm not quite sure how "Give us what we want or we'll screw up our economy even more than it's screwed up already" is a sign of strength. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

 

this is brilliant, just therapeutic to watch a skilled politician going absolutely nuclear on the reprehensible actions of the government. Miliband hits all the right notes, Boris comes off looking defenceless and disreputable. As Miliband says about 6 minutes in, the passing of this bill and any subsequent breaking of international law will trash the reputation of the country.

This debacle is pushing down the value of the pound so I’d like to thank the UK gov for their endeavours in attempting to reach parity with the Euro to make it less expensive for me to service the 800€ of interest free credit card debt I still have left in the uk. Make that 795€ now

 

this is brilliant, just therapeutic to watch a skilled politician going absolutely nuclear on the reprehensible actions of the government. Miliband hits all the right notes, Boris comes off looking defenceless and disreputable. As Miliband says about 6 minutes in, the passing of this bill and any subsequent breaking of international law will trash the reputation of the country.

 

This speech is honestly such a moment and it was great for Ed to make a comeback too (albeit temporary) *.*

Boris is totally right to put the UK first before the EU though. Remember he wants the best outcome for US and not them and I for one am behind him all the way. I know from reading Twitter and newspaper comments that many many others are too. They're fed up and just want Brexit over and done with now and see Boris as strong and the leader to do it.

The best outcome for US is to not have to deal with the embarrassment on the world stage and the economic consequences that being a rogue state brings. Arguing against the UK government does not mean that you're being unpatriotic or arguing for 'them'/the EU's interests (in an ideal world, the EU and Britain share the same interests as they are one and the same).

 

this is brilliant, just therapeutic to watch a skilled politician going absolutely nuclear on the reprehensible actions of the government. Miliband hits all the right notes, Boris comes off looking defenceless and disreputable. As Miliband says about 6 minutes in, the passing of this bill and any subsequent breaking of international law will trash the reputation of the country.

 

Best speech in the Commons since Hilary Benns in 2016!

Arguing against the UK government does not mean that you're being unpatriotic or arguing for 'them'/the EU's interests (in an ideal world, the EU and Britain share the same interests as they are one and the same).

This way of thinking is so linear, stupid and dangerous. It pisses me off so much. The only thing it does is give a louder voice to radical movements that tend to separate people based on black and white criteria like skin colour or religious beliefs. There's a very thin line between 'if you don't like this country then leave' and 'go back where you came from if you don't like the way we do things here' and no wonder so many racists and islamophobes are Brexitheads. Criticising governments' actions is one of the biggest parts of true democracy. If you think that we should trust whoever is in power no questions asked, then you're part of the problem.

 

Stop those regressives (a more fitting alternative for 'conservatives') before it's too late guys. Even from the outside it's looking pretty scary.

Did you quote the wrong thing Pav? Not sure how Harve’s post read that he trusts the government? :unsure:

It doesn't. The 'you are part of the problem' sentence was just a general statement to people who think like that. Not in any shape or form directed at Harvey as he's very much in the 'sane' camp alongside the rest of us here ignoring certain individuals.

It doesn't. The 'you are part of the problem' sentence was just a general statement to people who think like that. Not in any shape or form directed at Harvey as he's very much in the 'sane' camp alongside the rest of us here ignoring certain individuals.

 

Ah :lol:

 

When you see the echo chambers on social media sometimes I feel like the insane one!

How about the exact opposite. "The UK is a strong country with a strong PM who won't be messed with and will stand up for his country no matter what"

 

I don't think the EU thought Boris was this tough when he became PM. I bet they thought with his bumbling and jovial personality that he was an easy pushover compared to May. Well they thought wrong as he's quite willing to walk away with no deal.

 

Not only is he "willing" to walk away with no deal, I believe that's been Plan A for the Cummings/Johnson administration since Day 1.

 

God knows why though.

 

The government seems to think that those pesky Europeans don’t get news or can’t read/understand English. The EU most certainly does (and many of them are far better at English than the average Brexit voter tbh)

 

@1306146492160319489

 

The EU sees the shitshow and is resolute. The WA is closed and not open for renegotiation. It is a legally binding international treaty

The EU sees the shitshow and is resolute. The WA is closed and not open for renegotiation. It is a legally binding international treaty

 

 

Just as a matter of interest, if the UK decides to break the Treaty what can the EU realistically do?

Just as a matter of interest, if the UK decides to break the Treaty what can the EU realistically do?

 

As our largest trading partner, they could easily raise tariffs. Not to mention put sanctions on us like they have done to places like Iran & Russia. If we were to break the treaty, we would also anger the US and it's entirely possible they could also put sanctions on us. If the EU/US put sanctions on us, the UK would be crippled. We could see the financial sector lose out to EU competitiors and US banks, which would be one of the biggest issues as the financial sector in the UK generates large amounts of tax money for the treasury.

Just as a matter of interest, if the UK decides to break the Treaty what can the EU realistically do?

 

Do we really want to be viewed as a nation who breaks treaties?

Do we really want to be viewed as a nation who breaks treaties?

 

 

No, not at all but is there anything realistically that they can do. I'm asking a genuine question. Some international court maybe.