In a media clip in which the home secretary described the man’s actions as “absolutely appalling and shameful”, she said: “We have seen a small minority behave in extreme thuggery and violent behaviour today.

 

More than 100 people were arrested, according to Priti Patel this is "a small minority", wonder if she would have said the same thing if this happened during a BLM protest.

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I think Britain has always been a country with a lot of racism, just like every other country in Europe. While it IS different compared to the US, or at least it shows in a different way, it has always been there and mostly in a more subtle way. After Brexit it seems like people are, however, more okay to show this and think it's normal to be racist. With the help of a racist government obviously.

Yeah I think British people top the charts when it comes to self-denial, both when it comes to the history of racism in Britain and racism today, sociologically speaking.

 

It's different to the US but in some ways worse and less subtle. Not that the US has learnt all the lessons in needs to with its slavery either, but thanks to its history at least 'if you don't like it here then go back to your own country' wouldn't be said to a non-white person there, but it is in Britain, and it's acceptable in many quarters.

More than 100 people were arrested, according to Priti Patel this is "a small minority", wonder if she would have said the same thing if this happened during a BLM protest.

 

She did -

 

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The UK is easily the most arrogant place in the world to me. The attitude of ‘if you can’t handle us, get out’ is disgusting. I’d say its possibly worse in England but the other nations are not immune. A swastika had been painted on the property of a black couple in Gwynedd yesterday which is revolting. And when said couple are giving interviews on Welsh in TV and they’ve never lived anywhere else, it just shows that the bigots don’t even stick to their own rules.

This whole attitude of 'omg but the social distancing!!1!', 'we're in the middle of a pandemic what a silly time to organise protests!!1!', etc is really quite sickening. Dress it up all you want, but it screams of thinking black lives don't matter until the timing is convenient.

 

Do you expect people to just sit around and do nothing, wait for change that's 100% less likely to happen without making their voices heard, see even more innocent black lives lost at the hands of brutal police scum... all because you might end up in lockdown for another few weeks?

 

 

This is incredible offensive to those of us who have had family members in intensive care and been unable to visit them and been worried sick. I’m one of the lucky ones my grandfather recovered but so many others didn’t and they didn’t even get to see them buried, their children, parents, grandparents etc. I think what you’ve said basically spits on those who have been through this. You can support BLM while being worried sick about the spread of corona virus, and wishing this was taking place in a safer environment.

Yeah I think British people top the charts when it comes to self-denial, both when it comes to the history of racism in Britain and racism today, sociologically speaking.

 

I would add my own country, The Netherlands, to that list as well.

We have this kind of 'post-racism' attitude where it's like "no we are not racists" and get incredibly offended when someone doesn't agree with this. I mean sure most of you have read about our national holiday basically celebrating black-face.

 

This is incredible offensive to those of us who have had family members in intensive care and been unable to visit them and been worried sick. I’m one of the lucky ones my grandfather recovered but so many others didn’t and they didn’t even get to see them buried, their children, parents, grandparents etc. I think what you’ve said basically spits on those who have been through this. You can support BLM while being worried sick about the spread of corona virus, and wishing this was taking place in a safer environment.

 

No, I'm sorry but I can't agree with this at al.. And I have taken all the corona measurements incredibly serious, have self-isolated for over two months where I basically saw no one except for my partner with whom I live.

But Calum made a right point. It's so easy to say this now, BUT racism is a pandemic as well, a pandemic that kills a lot more people than corona (and like I said, I take corona extremely serious, am very careful, and know how dangerous it can be). There is just a point where enough is enough. Most people go to the protests and fully know the risk, but still take it, they literally put their lives on the line to take a stance. It's not like people go to a party (like a lot of other people did, and where was the outrage??). I went to a protest because I had to, I couldn't stay at home even though we are living in corona times and a lot of people feel the same. I therefore completely agree with Calum's post.

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I completely agree that many people are using it to justify their racism and those people are the scum of the earth. It’s incredibly unfair though to label everyone as the same though. I haven’t criticised the BLM protests and I actually fully support them despite the pandemic, it doesn’t stop me being nervous about a potential spike again. I’m terrified that my grandfather may catch it again and not survive this time round and people are allowed to feel like that without being a racist who doesn’t support BLM.

I always try to be positive and think that it's a small minority but whenever I hear throwaway casual comments at work for example, I know that's purely anecdotal but it's way too often and when it happens I just think sadly it underpins an attitude that far far too many people have had for so long that its ingrained into our society. I'm not saying that there's a majority of out and out KKK racists, but there is certainly an inherent problem with society among way too many people, implicit biases and the like, and that's the same in many many societies, it isn't just America. There is definitely a huge amount of denial, I hear so much "I don't why they're protesting here it's America's problem" in one breath, and then a racist comment next breath. THAT is precisely why this is needed Barry x People love to deflect the problem and rather than using an apt time to confront what's going on at home, they just pretend that our "glorious" country could NEVER be racist in ANY way even when the evidence is right there all over the news :lol:

 

People get more offended at being called what they are as racists or xenophobes than they do at the consequences of their views, comments and actions. If you're that outraged by being called it, change and don't be like it?!

https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/...711803597615111

 

Well he was spot on and I truly believe this is what will happen.

The Kalief Browder story on Netflix is f***ing heartbreaking. I thought nothing could make me as upset as When They See Us did but I was wrong. That poor, poor kid.

 

I've also spent all weekend arguing on social media with absolute morons who nitpick and divert attention away from the actual issues to more irrelevant matters. If I say 'Black Lives Matter' the response is 'but ALL LIVES MATTER'. If I post something about the many, many black men murdered by white cops the response is them digging through the Internet to find any case of a white guy being killed by black cops just so they can act like it's 'the same thing'. Obviously any murder - especially racially motivated one - is wrong but it's funny how none of these people have ever once brought up these news stories and showed any interest in them until the BLM protests and suddenly they're acting like they're social activists themselves. Half these people have lived comfortable in their white, middle class, straight lifestyles in an isolated village with their three cars, three kids lifestyles and never once spoke up or used their advantages to bring attention to any injustices. They just can't stand the fact that they're having to be confronted with their own racism.

 

Like, I shared a post explaining why blackface was wrong and how it was inappropriate for Matt Lucas to use it and even posted some articles and videos to educate anyone who maybe didn't know the history of it, and I STILL got morons commenting that 'whiteface was the same' and 'oh but we can't start censoring EVERYTHING'.

 

Just f*** off. It's f***ing terrifying that nobody can just say 'wow, that's wrong.' and change their attitude. When Owen Jones posted videos of the yobs literally chanting 'I AM A RACIST AND I LIKE IT' there were still people attacking OWEN for daring to share the video to his social media channel. 'I thought you were supposed to be a journalist?', 'Why is your social media so preachy?', 'But what about the BLM protests?'. Like, why can't they see these videos and say that it's wrong and disgusting? Why doesn't it affect these people?

 

I'm sorry for swearing so much but I just don't understand it????

https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/...711803597615111

 

Well he was spot on and I truly believe this is what will happen.

 

Except that is.... THIS happened. : )

 

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The entire government is truly filled with ignorant idiots.

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Dominic Raab is an utter disgrace. Do we remember when he called feminists "obnoxious biggots" and proudly declared he is not a feminist (which became clear here again with his "the misses"). Gross, gross human being, a true racist and sexist. Just like the rest of this shitty government.

 

I am also disgusted by the way this journalist handled it, laughing along, when he even said BLM wrong. Joke, joke, joke.

Raab is a dangerous right winger, always has been. Again part of the 'Britannia Unchained' producers from the 2010 intake!

No surprise Piers Morgan ripped him to shreds this morning he really is as thick as brick being so unaware

Interestingly lots of people are beginning to distance themselves from the Black Lives Matter movement now in the UK, mainly due to the fact the BLMUK leader is trying to add political movements to the mandate as well as moral & social cause. Hard position to be in, there is still lots of work to be done but I really do think big organiations and figures will begin to distance themselves now.

Interestingly lots of people are beginning to distance themselves from the Black Lives Matter movement now in the UK, mainly due to the fact the BLMUK leader is trying to add political movements to the mandate as well as moral & social cause. Hard position to be in, there is still lots of work to be done but I really do think big organiations and figures will begin to distance themselves now.

 

I have missed this — what is happening?

 

The only thing I have seen today is this:

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Edited July 2, 20205 yr by blacksquare

I have missed this — what is happening?

 

The only thing I have seen today is this:

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Quite a few organisations are beginning to distance themselves, mainly because BLMUK (well, it’s leader at least) is using the platform to further political motives and ideologies, mainly about capitalism and Israel & Palestine.

Surely these movements will always have a left of centre ideology? What's wrong with that? Just because it's leftist and you disagree with that?

Surely these movements will always have a left of centre ideology? What's wrong with that? Just because it's leftist and you disagree with that?

 

I have a problem if there is a wider political angle to the move. The movement should be about fighting racism not trying to influence potential anti-semitic behaviour and ridding of capitalism. Esentially you are then using the movement as a cover for a change in idelogy rather than advocating social justice. Both the majority of the left, centre and right want to fight racism, but the moment you start attempting to influence people's political beliefs, people rightly distance themselves and it slowly discredits important people who have jumped on board.