I just can't see these constant 'no socialising with more than one household/certain people' working especially with places like pubs still open. The only really effective way with schools opening again would be to close pubs or social indoor places, which certainly won't be ideal but if cases surge again, there may not be a choice (I'd actually booked to see my friends next weekend for the first time in months so this is coming at a bad time :') Only three of us though so legal, but just hoping nothing else changes in the week!).

 

The return to schools/universities and weather changing was always going to be bad news for the spread, I don't think schools should close again, but it's completely counter-productive to force all businesses to return to offices. It should be completely up to the owners and if it works better and keeps people safe at home, then there should be no pressure to return. The furlough scheme scrapped also just doesn't make sense when people still aren't back at work in some cases...

The £3.5bn also included an estimate of the money claimed due to errors. It is not simply an estimate of fraudulent claims.

Even if 10% had been paid out fraudulently, that would be a remarkably high success rate for this government.

The new restrictions will surely just prolong the time some people are able to return to work. Therefore, not extending the furlough scheme for people affected by that, just seems ridiculous.

The £3.5bn also included an estimate of the money claimed due to errors. It is not simply an estimate of fraudulent claims.

 

 

It does say that, wrong or fraudulent claims.

Have to say it's bizzarre that they're specifically blaming young people for this based on....as far as I can see, zero evidence whatsoever, apart from the prejudice of 'well, young people are the ones that have house parties, aren't they?'

 

Total discrimination and scapegoating.

It does say that, wrong or fraudulent claims.

But that has largely been lost in the reporting.

Have to say it's bizzarre that they're specifically blaming young people for this based on....as far as I can see, zero evidence whatsoever, apart from the prejudice of 'well, young people are the ones that have house parties, aren't they?'

 

Total discrimination and scapegoating.

And more Trumpism - make allegations without a shred of evidence.

Part of me is grateful that I’ve been too busy with schools back to pay attention to any of this but it’s very grim. Nothing new in Wales right now but I’m not far away from England. Of course they’re blaming young people, I said that they would. All people have done is follow what the government said they could and even should do and now they’re blamed for it. I said the government were rushing a reopening and that they would blame the people. At the time I was being harassed in here by a certain poster who interestingly hasn’t been seen posting since they went on their first big night out in July.

Part of me is grateful that I’ve been too busy with schools back to pay attention to any of this but it’s very grim. Nothing new in Wales right now but I’m not far away from England. Of course they’re blaming young people, I said that they would. All people have done is follow what the government said they could and even should do and now they’re blamed for it. I said the government were rushing a reopening and that they would blame the people. At the time I was being harassed in here by a certain poster who interestingly hasn’t been seen posting since they went on their first big night out in July.

Indeed. It was obvious as soon as the lockdown restrictions were eased that the government were aiming to blame us for any problems. It's the standard Tory approach - Blame Somebody Else.

Birmingham's Christmas market held in the City Centre has been cancelled for obvious reasons. This is the first time since 2001 that it has not been held. Attracting over 5 million people into the 2nd City with produce from all over Europe it will be a big loss to the city but at the same time the correct decision. Birmingham will still be open for business over the Festive period but it will look a bit different. It's thought other Christmas markets may follow suit.

 

Surely being outdoor it wouldn't be too risky but suppose it's the crowds on the busiest weekends

What are our thoughts about this £100 billion ‘moonshot’?

Edited September 10, 20204 yr by blacksquare

Another attempt to generate good headlines without actually having to do anything. The logistics of testing up to ten million people per day are mind-boggling. If each of those people has to attend somewhere to give a sample (rather than doing it at home and dropping it off somewhere), where will it be done? How can it work with the pathetic excuse for a test and trace system we have at the moment?

Should've made it 200 million tests per day by 2021 because at this point it's just as likely as 10 million lmao

What are our thoughts about this £100 billion ‘moonshot’?

 

The same as the announcement for a world beating test and trace app in place by June.

 

i.e. total bollocks used to distract the public from the current shambolic and incompetent display from UKGov.

The same as the announcement for a world beating test and trace app in place by June.

 

i.e. total bollocks used to distract the public from the current shambolic and incompetent display from UKGov.

 

There are a few prototypes in development, all outsourced to different firms. My friend is working on one and he seems confident it will work, but they are a massive cost and they were under the impression they were going to be used slightly different to how the Government described it.

 

Surely the only solution to this is a finger prick test which tells you whether you have the virus or not. Or you swab yourself and it lets you know like a pregnancy test. Otherwise, it's a non-starter described in the way Johnson said it.

Surely we should be back at Level 4 now? Oh wait, they scrapped it after it completely FAILED to drop below Level 3. :lol:

 

Maybe it's in "transition" between the levels...

Hospital admissions now rising: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54104302

 

What are our thoughts about this £100 billion ‘moonshot’?

 

Pretty much impossible to process 10 million tests a day. I volunteer for a covid testing pipeline where I work (lucky enough to work at a biomedical facility) and that has ~40 people working on it a week and last I checked processes ~300 tests/day. That's not including hospital staff who take tests for people or the people who deliver the tests to the site. In order to do 10 million a day, you'd be looking at having to recruit 1 million+ more people for the testing - on top of recruiting many more in order to build new testing sites. And you'd also have to ramp up the making of/acquiring of the buffers/reagents for the virus inactivation and PCR. Which in turn you'd need to hire more people to do that or build new places to make it.

 

Given the current government's record - I VERY much doubt they would ever come close to 10 million tests a day. 500k-1 million tests a day would be a better target.

Edited September 10, 20204 yr by Envoirment

Hospital admissions now rising: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54104302

 

I think that article is a little bit misleading. Hate to use the Brexiteers favourite status, but that's "fearmongering" in that article. Hospital admissions have risen back to the levels they were at the end of July or have been fluctuating bi-weekly. Massive assumptions there.