I think that article is a little bit misleading. Hate to use the Brexiteers favourite status, but that's "fearmongering" in that article. Hospital admissions have risen back to the levels they were at the end of July or have been fluctuating bi-weekly. Massive assumptions there.

 

Well who knows quite frankly because the Government haven't published any new statistics since 2 September on hospital admissions, which I find a bit ODD.

 

Here's an interesting graphic from John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) showing how the recent 2nd wave in Spain started initially in younger people and quickly spread to the rest of the population.

 

New restrictions for Ballymena and Belfast (sarcastic yay!) from Monday, people will be unable to visit other people's houses bar the one you're in a social bubble with, travelling outside the zones is not advised unless necessary and outside gatherings in private gatherings are limited to 6 people. Although no changes to shops, restaurants and other places, which makes me think what's the point.

Well who knows quite frankly because the Government haven't published any new statistics since 2 September on hospital admissions, which I find a bit ODD.

 

Here's an interesting graphic from John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) showing how the recent 2nd wave in Spain started initially in younger people and quickly spread to the rest of the population.

 

 

It's odd, but there is definitely not a wide increase of COVID hospital patients across the counry right now. Possibly in some of the areas with spikes. There are enough whistleblowers out there that we would hear about it.

 

Of course it is inevitable that the increases will pass on to the older generations. The situation in Spain and France seems to be getting slightly out of control and in England it could go either way. But we're also going to see an increase of patients in hospital regardless as autumn/winter approaches as there would be more people in hospitals with respiratory diseases regardless.

@1304403936623853568

 

The contact tracing app is launching on the 24th of September — does seem like the next few weeks are going to be crucial.

Stockport council has been criticised for a tweet about mothers-in-law whilst others found it funny. They've now taken it down.

 

From Manchester Evening News:

 

"Stockport council has come under fire for a ‘misogynistic’ tweet which urged people to treat coronavirus ‘like your mother-in-law’.

 

The post - which also appeared on Facebook - was intended as a humorous way of getting the message about social distancing across.

 

 

It read ‘the trick to social distancing is acting like your mother-in-law’s around every corner!’

 

But some felt it was badly misjudged - particularly in light of evidence that domestic violence against women has soared during lockdown.

Edited September 11, 20204 yr by Crazy Chris

https://twitter.com/LawrenceGilder

 

a really useful resource on twitter is this account which publishes in-depth statistics for covid on a break down by local authority, including rate of infection per 100k.

 

the question is though, why isn't the government making such data easily and widely available. why is it taking a 19 year old lad on twitter to do it? if you look at the daily numbers ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1APt...#gid=1865138965 ) you can see you've got rates in liverpool of 83 per 100k, sunderland of 96 per 100k and rates rising throughout the north of england in general. yet there is no enhanced support or restrictions. in fact many living in these areas will have no idea that community transmission is becoming increasingly rife and would probably adjust their behaviour if they were made more aware.

 

currently we are getting a snapshot of people who were infected during the last week or two so and with new cases doubling every 7-8 days we could be looking at 8k new infections being reported daily by this time next week.

 

it's just so frustrating for us to once again be following the likes of france and spain: seeing massive outbreaks amongst the young then spreading to the more elderly and seemingly choosing to do nothing. quite why there still isn't a national mask mandate in all public places is utterly beyond me. the science is now overwhelming on the benefits and suchlike has been implemented in spain, france and many portions of the states (for some time)

 

also matt hancock now saying that you should only get a test if you are symptomatic? in various scientific studies the rate of asymptomatic spread has been estimated to be between 20 and 50%. being asymptomatic may mean you show minimal or no symptoms but it doesn't stop you shedding virus and infecting other people. the fact that you could come into close contact with somebody who tests positive for covid but are then unable to get a test as you show no symptoms and are then encouraged to go about your life as normal is utter madness. missing these asymptomatic carriers means the virus will continue to spread unabated and clearly contrary to what the government is saying, testing capacity isn't good enough so not everyone gets a test, you then can't contact trace and the whole system falls apart. furthermore what is the government doing to encourage people to isolate? financially it isn't feasible for many people. who can live off £13 a day? as happened in the spring, people will continue to go to work even though they are infectious purely out of necessity to financially survive. it shouldn't be this way.

 

the government clearly still has no grip on the situation and instead is more focused on breaking international law, all the while a fire is slowly smouldering around the country. it's clearly going to be a bumpy and rough winter. i worry because this government is so incompetent and hasn't learnt anything. that incompetence will sadly cost many unnecessary lives and damage many other's long term health.

 

I don't understand why it is so hard to track down the 7day 100k incidence rate for the uk, regardless of the level of subdivision you apply. Its tough to find an official statistic for the UK as a whole, never mind anything more granular.

 

I refresh this once a day and I get the current case numbers and all the breakdowns i need. Including 7day 100k rates. It is really not difficult. RKI publishes by state every day and I'm sure it wouldn't take much digging on their site to find a granular level of detail.

 

https://www.berlin.de/corona/lagebericht/de...rona.html#start

I’m feeling really down about all the new rules this week. I’ve done a full week at work with the kids now and a small number of them are awaiting tests, one even attended school after a family member went for a test and now we’re waiting on his results as if he is positive then the whole year group could have been infected. I’m now back to not seeing my family because I’m worried I could pass something on. It’s so depressing just thinking about it, I’m so tired.

Have to say it's bizzarre that they're specifically blaming young people for this based on....as far as I can see, zero evidence whatsoever, apart from the prejudice of 'well, young people are the ones that have house parties, aren't they?'

 

Total discrimination and scapegoating.

 

This graph is evidence perhaps...

 

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb...prev_age-nc.png

 

Plus the graph might trend even more towards young people once the universities go back.

Edited September 11, 20204 yr by TheSnake

This graph is evidence perhaps...

 

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb...prev_age-nc.png

 

Plus the graph might trend even more towards young people once the universities go back.

 

But aren't those in the 18-24 bracket the people most likely to work in retail/pubs/restaurants etc? I've seen many older people not wearing masks/wearing masks wrong/not socially distancing as well as young people. I don't think young people should be blamed. Especially after the governments push for eat out help out/opening the economy quickly/trying to push people to go back to the office etc.

But aren't those in the 18-24 bracket the people most likely to work in retail/pubs/restaurants etc? I've seen many older people not wearing masks/wearing masks wrong/not socially distancing as well as young people. I don't think young people should be blamed. Especially after the governments push for eat out help out/opening the economy quickly/trying to push people to go back to the office etc.

 

Yes that is a good point with a lot of 18-24s working in retail and hospitality industries. That 'eat out to help out' idea certainly left a bitter taste in my mouth. There should have been something to help restaurants out with something to do with home delivery rather than encouraging people to go into them.

I don’t think it’s any one groups fault it is what it is. Some old some middle aged some young will have spread it, doesn’t matter anyway imo!

3539 new cases reported in the last 24 hrs...

 

R is above 1 and we should be back at Coronavirus Alert Level 4.

 

Indeed, but I don't think the public will accept another full lockdown, as necessary as it may be. If it does come into effect, I could see large-scale organized civil disobedience beginning to bubble up.

Also some worrying news here from PHE:

 

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Given the 14 day incubation period, it is likely that the damage has already been done..

Fergus Walsh said on the bbc news that there are 800 people hospitalised currently with COVID 19 in the uk.

But aren't those in the 18-24 bracket the people most likely to work in retail/pubs/restaurants etc? I've seen many older people not wearing masks/wearing masks wrong/not socially distancing as well as young people. I don't think young people should be blamed. Especially after the governments push for eat out help out/opening the economy quickly/trying to push people to go back to the office etc.

professor of social psychology at st andrews, stephen reicher nailed this 'blame' issue in this excellent guardian piece:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...ronavirus-rates

Indeed, but I don't think the public will accept another full lockdown, as necessary as it may be. If it does come into effect, I could see large-scale organized civil disobedience beginning to bubble up.

also it isn't going happen after the worst gdp slump in the g7; the gov will do everything to keep businesses moving

 

i do fear the train is already beginning to run away from us and as in the spring the gov will do all within their power to fudge the facts, spin everything to make it look better until it is too late and infection rates are sky high.

 

where is our national mask mandate?!

 

edit: and with scotland taking a more cautious and sensible approach the differences this time will be magnified between england and scotland for all to see how badly the tories are continue to handle this

Edited September 11, 20204 yr by jakee

Indeed, but I don't think the public will accept another full lockdown, as necessary as it may be. If it does come into effect, I could see large-scale organized civil disobedience beginning to bubble up.

 

There won't be another lockdown. I'd only be for it if hospitals are being overun to the point of collapsing. I could see large areas put under curfews if things spiral out of contol, but I just cannot see anyway where we have a large period of lockdown nationwide. Quite simply, we can't afford another lockdown as we seem insistent on not using the Furlough scheme.

I think people generally know the risks and how to do their best to avoid this now anyway so they will leave things open and be flexible about sick leave or working from home.0