I believe putting a right or left wing spin on this is a fallacy.

 

This becomes an issue of being honest with your population.

 

We have the capacity to not have to have anyone in the vulnerable groups going out and mixing. We have deliveries. We have door to door services. Etc. Etc. Most of us have made great use of them during the pandemic.

 

I don't understand why the whole world is pussyfooting around what seems to be more and more apparent a truth: that we don't actually need to isolate if we aren't in the at risk groups. That this is, in fact, a huge sacrifice. And look, it's fine to make a sacrifice. We make lots of sacrifices in our day to day lives. But if that is the case, let's call a spade a spade rather than demonizing younger people for 'putting themselves at risk' when they're never going to be offered a vaccine.

 

There is no way of completely shielding over 50s/those with health conditions and that's the problem. Sadly not just 'mixing' that causes the spread of this virus and this is a message that needs to put out there more, even going to get essential food is a risk and even getting home deliveries as it can be transmitted through surfaces. You can't stop this but if loads of under 50s have the virus all at once as what would happen if your idea was policy then the risk goes up and a lot of older people shielding are still going to get it.

 

We don't have any evidence in my opinion as to whether young people are being demonized unfairly, we would have to see data on how many are observing distancing compared with other age groups to judge that.

Edited October 5, 20204 yr by Вuzzjack user

I don't understand why the whole world is pussyfooting around what seems to be more and more apparent a truth: that we don't actually need to isolate if we aren't in the at risk groups. That this is, in fact, a huge sacrifice. And look, it's fine to make a sacrifice. We make lots of sacrifices in our day to day lives. But if that is the case, let's call a spade a spade rather than demonizing younger people for 'putting themselves at risk' when they're never going to be offered a vaccine.

 

The issue is that Covid-19 can cause long term health issues in healthy people too. Don't assume just because you're not in an at risk group or have underlying health conditions that the virus will be mild. The long term effects of the virus are what people should really be worried about. But most people tend to only focus on the here and now/short term. There have been numerous cases of seemingly fit and healthy people having rather prolonged consequences due to the virus. One of my co-worker's friends was a marathon runner, but now she can barely walk up and down stairs without getting out of breath and it's been many months since she had Covid.

Well,if that's the case, then everyone needs the vaccine.

 

All I'm doing is pointing out that the two things can't be simultaneously true.

I believe putting a right or left wing spin on this is a fallacy.

 

This becomes an issue of being honest with your population.

 

We have the capacity to not have to have anyone in the vulnerable groups going out and mixing. We have deliveries. We have door to door services. Etc. Etc. Most of us have made great use of them during the pandemic.

 

I don't understand why the whole world is pussyfooting around what seems to be more and more apparent a truth: that we don't actually need to isolate if we aren't in the at risk groups. That this is, in fact, a huge sacrifice. And look, it's fine to make a sacrifice. We make lots of sacrifices in our day to day lives. But if that is the case, let's call a spade a spade rather than demonizing younger people for 'putting themselves at risk' when they're never going to be offered a vaccine.

This is what I've been trying to say but struggled to put into words. Not to be all Denise Welch but we can't all put our lives on hold when we as young people (anyone up to about 65 in fact) are more likely to die crossing the road etc. And I'm really not one of those people saying 'it's fine if some oldies die', I ABSOLUTELY see the need for the current measures, but that's as far as it can go- another lockdown would be the worst thing possible for all of us. So many people are losing their jobs already, the atmosphere in Aberdeen is very weird like we all know the impending doom coming our way (and it's not the virus) It's sensible to keep wearing masks, keep distancing etc and I'm behind Nicola at the moment but this is as far as we should go, at least in the current range at least.

 

Perhaps the best thing to do would have been to keep the original lockdown longer, and not lifted it when 200+ people a day were still dying?

Edited October 5, 20204 yr by Andrew.

Don't forget the 5G towers!!

 

Are the people who are hearing rumours getting confused by the flu vaccine, which THIS year is free for anyone over 50 instead of 65 or in a specific vulnerable or at risk category (as it is usually)?

 

No it's the UK vaccinne task force. Don't think it's rumours, I suspect it's true. Or if those Under-50 are vaccinated, it's likely to be 12-18 months away you'd suspect.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d...a3-43e51355a751

Back to lockdown in Scotland from Friday....the joy https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scott...ircuit-breaker/

I just don't see how it's gonna work overall. They'll bring that in, everything will (hopefully) settle down a bit that's great but then restrictions will be eased and cases will start to flare up again. This "buying time" mindset is simply not viable imo.

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I just don't see how it's gonna work overall. They'll bring that in, everything will (hopefully) settle down a bit that's great but then restrictions will be eased and cases will start to flare up again. This "buying time" mindset is simply not viable imo.

 

I agree, which is part of what prompted my longer post above.

 

Everything that the UK is doing is reactive and playing catchup, with a side helping of actively misleading the public in the hope of getting a better outcome. That only works for so long and has the negative result of going completely sideways if ever the cat gets out of the bag and people cotton on to the fact they've been lied to.

I agree, which is part of what prompted my longer post above.

 

Everything that the UK is doing is reactive and playing catchup, with a side helping of actively misleading the public in the hope of getting a better outcome. That only works for so long and has the negative result of going completely sideways if ever the cat gets out of the bag and people cotton on to the fact they've been lied to.

 

We are stalling for time for a vaccine and stalling because it is respiratory virus season. I do think if this was spring/summer there would be a totally different attitude. Loads of industries have been briefed with April. My gut feeling tells me we just need to make it through the winter months. Hospitals are overun at the best of times every winter. We want to manage risk as there is a real chance we start having to choose who lives and who dies.

 

I don't really agree with lockdowns again etc. but we clearly need to do something. Ever since schools and Universities went back there's been a clear increase in cases.

That's what I mean though. Every time there are case rises it is after extremely predictable actions that were 99% going to lead to case rises, and then the government turns around and blames - and punishes! - the general public.

 

1000s of kids mix in school, taking public transport to get there and going out to the shops at lunch and break, touching handles and doors and products, and going home to spread it through their families and anyone in their families' support bubbles, and surprise surprise, cases rise. People move from across the country to mingle together in new 'households' at university, including people coming in from abroad, and cases rise. Neither of those things needed to happen, and who is punished for allowing them to? Why, the general public, who else? And you can bet your bottom dollar these restrictions will have a get-out clause for the rich once again. We'll hide in our homes and put our lives on hold, only to find out a few months down the line that life was going on as before for everyone in a certain tax bracket and that we were foolish to actually abide by what we were told were set in stone rules, haha pleb, they were only guidelines!

I saw some bitch sniffing like 5 different breads (obv without a mask) in a supermarket the other day. Best by date is there FOR A REASON Linda.

I think it is pretty clear that Universities should have offered discounted online learning and encouraged students to remain at home (where possible) as a temporary measure, but we all know that the overriding incentive was to get the students in and paying rent.

 

I don't buy the argument that schools are driving infection rates directly, children are largely asymptomatic and appear to be less contagious.. we've had 21 deaths of people <20 years old in England so far, all with underlying health conditions. They may be driving them indirectly by allowing some spread between households, who then mix further in pubs/restaurants, but again - this wouldn't explain the greater spread being in 20-30 year olds.

Back to lockdown in Scotland from Friday....the joy https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scott...ircuit-breaker/

As ever, the sun is worth less than the paper it’s printed on.

 

 

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I saw some bitch sniffing like 5 different breads (obv without a mask) in a supermarket the other day. Best by date is there FOR A REASON Linda.

 

 

Sniffing bread's a new one for me as they usually squeeze it to see if it's fresh.

I saw some bitch sniffing like 5 different breads (obv without a mask) in a supermarket the other day. Best by date is there FOR A REASON Linda.

 

This is no better than squeezing the bread, just as likely to spread the virus. You should have told this person off for doing this like the ɥɔʇᴉq you are, but I suppose you didn't want to cause an argument.

 

I think the government should be advising older and at risk people that a. loose bread without packaging should be avoided and b. to wipe down any groceries they get from the supermarket with mild soap and water.

Edited October 6, 20204 yr by Вuzzjack user

We’ve got a quasi curfew in place thanks to a few selfish f***s. 11pm to 6am everything apart from pharmacies and petrol stations (strictly to sell petrol) is to be shut and public parks are to shut overnight too. Bans on socialising with more than 5 other people and two households in effect overnight too. Indoor private parties got a 10 person limit (7am - 10pm)

 

 

All because some selfish c**ts had to have raves in the parks overnight which is causing massive community spread and our worst infection numbers of the entire pandemic. I hate people.

 

 

They all crying coz they miss being drugged up to their eyeballs raving at 7am on a Sunday in Berghain and because the clubs are about the only until now that was prohibited they started illegally partying and they’ve now f***ed the infection rates to the point where some of their fave clubs are never gonna reopen. Even the ones that survive won’t open until 2021 now. We were doing well. They could have been back legally clubbing later this month or next month if they’d just stayed the f*** at home for a couple more weeks.

 

Rant over. Just pure raging about selfish pricks

I have absolutely no idea why there hasn’t been a positive test in my school yet, literally all the other local schools have had one.

 

Day from Hell today and I actually hugged a colleague. It’s easy to forget the situation in a school.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386

 

Surely all of us can agree that we can't keep having these blanket rules affecting everyone. I'm glad Nic hasn't put all of Scotland under the new restrictions and has focused on the central belt but closing restaurants COMPLETELY is sooo excessive, and the alcohol rule will just lead to more conjestion. These new measures really aren't going down well here. I get the need for the restrictions to continue as cases are rising so fastly and I won't mind so much if these ones only last the two weeks. We'll see I guess!

I live in one of the highly restricted areas of Scotland. She's not shutting restaurants, we're going to take away and delivery only but it's looking highly likely they're gonna be cutting hours in my work now. Pubs are also closed in my area from Friday ‍♂️