In Tier 4 estate agents were still open as they are ESSENTIAL apparently... and home viewings were still allowed!

 

But our government are so deeply invested in the UK property market that they will do anything to prop it up.

I can understand this for Rentals though. Landlords being landlords have been evicting people and not extending leases all through the pandemic.

 

Although. A moratorium on evictions and on denying lease Extensions would largely make this irrelevant theres still folk who need to move out for various serious reasons

Anddddd the vaccine passport is now being introduced and trialled by thousands.

 

It begins. :lol:

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegrap...ds-britons/amp/

Edited January 12, 20214 yr by shadow2009

Anddddd the vaccine passport is now being introduced and trialled by thousands.

 

It begins. :lol:

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegrap...ds-britons/amp/

 

I personally don't think it is a bad thing for the short term as it will lead to industry confidence that mass events can take place. But I am 100% against it until everyone not over school age has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise for those of us under 50 with no underlying health conditions are going to be very marginalised over the summer. But hey, at least cruises will be able to go ahead!

Yeah, that wouldn't go down well.

I can’t see that article as I’m not a subscriber, assume it’s just something to confirm you’ve had the vaccine?

Yeah that's not gonna go down well unless it is introduced when everyone has had their chance to get a shot.

I personally don't think it is a bad thing for the short term as it will lead to industry confidence that mass events can take place. But I am 100% against it until everyone not over school age has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise for those of us under 50 with no underlying health conditions are going to be very marginalised over the summer. But hey, at least cruises will be able to go ahead!

I think it's an incredibly dangerous slippery slope to go down. I know I'm going to be labelled a 'crazy conspiracy theorist' for saying this - and maybe I am? - but I'm very uneasy about the fact those without vaccines will be unable to access certain privileges like travel, hospitality, events etc because of this. How can they still pose a threat if everyone else has had the vaccine anyway? :unsure: If someone refuses the vaccine they're only posing a risk to themself, right?

 

(I genuinely believe Covid is a thing and it scares the hell out of me and I was celebrating earlier that new cases have decreased since last week, but I can't help but think about someone who I'm friends with who has been warning me about this happening since last March and everything she predicted has came true, including the rollout of this)

Edited January 12, 20214 yr by shadow2009

Well first of all not everyone is getting the vaccine.

Pregnant women, people with allergies and people below 18 can't (yet) get it. At the same time a vaccine isn't a 100% protection and there is no evidence that you cannot pass it on without getting sick when you've had the vaccine.

 

There is alao the danger of mutations where the vaccine won't work on a la Flu

I think it's an incredibly dangerous slippery slope to go down. I know I'm going to be labelled a 'crazy conspiracy theorist' for saying this - and maybe I am? - but I'm very uneasy about the fact those without vaccines will be unable to access certain privileges like travel, hospitality, events etc because of this. How can they still pose a threat if everyone else has had the vaccine anyway? :unsure: If someone refuses the vaccine they're only posing a risk to themself, right?

(I genuinely believe Covid is a thing and it scares the hell out of me and I was celebrating earlier that new cases have decreased since last week, but I can't help but think about someone who I'm friends with who has been warning me about this happening since last March and everything she predicted has came true, including the rollout of this)

 

No, they pose a risk to others as well. If they catch Covid, they can then spread it to those who cannot be vaccinated or have weakened immune systems - such as people undergoing chemotherapy for cancer treatment.

 

I'm not against a vaccine passport - especially as it could provide a way for certain industries to start up again. Particularly the likes of theatre/concerts/tours etc. The only issue will be the wait people have to go through to get the vaccine and the passport.

No, they pose a risk to others as well. If they catch Covid, they can then spread it to those who cannot be vaccinated or have weakened immune systems - such as people undergoing chemotherapy for cancer treatment.

 

I'm not against a vaccine passport - especially as it could provide a way for certain industries to start up again. Particularly the likes of theatre/concerts/tours etc. The only issue will be the wait people have to go through to get the vaccine and the passport.

 

That becomes kind of irrelevant though (well the concerts/tours bit) when the people majority of the early people getting the vaccine are those in the higher age groups. Can't imagine Doris and Betty shimmying to Little Mix at the O2 whilst all the Little Mix fans have to stay at home because they haven't been vaccinated yet. :lol:

I personally don't think it is a bad thing for the short term as it will lead to industry confidence that mass events can take place. But I am 100% against it until everyone not over school age has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise for those of us under 50 with no underlying health conditions are going to be very marginalised over the summer. But hey, at least cruises will be able to go ahead!

 

I mean even if you had two doses of the vaccine though it is still unwise to go and have parties with others who have been vaccinated, who knows yet how far the South African variant that is believed to possibly be resistant to the vaccine will spread in the UK from those two cases that were discovered in the UK (and probably other undiscovered cases).

Edited January 12, 20214 yr by TheSnake

No, they pose a risk to others as well. If they catch Covid, they can then spread it to those who cannot be vaccinated or have weakened immune systems - such as people undergoing chemotherapy for cancer treatment.

 

I'm not against a vaccine passport - especially as it could provide a way for certain industries to start up again. Particularly the likes of theatre/concerts/tours etc. The only issue will be the wait people have to go through to get the vaccine and the passport.

Are you saying we should vaccinate the entire population - including those in their 20's and 30's who are perfectly fit and healthy? What if they refuse?

 

Genuine question. It becomes very unethical and disturbing if we start trying to force healthy people to take a vaccine or ban them from society altogether.

Test negative yesterday and get out of quarantine. Tonight the Corona-Warn App orders me back into Quarantine because someone on my f***ing flight home has it 😭🙃

 

At least I did a big shop yesterday

That becomes kind of irrelevant though (well the concerts/tours bit) when the people majority of the early people getting the vaccine are those in the higher age groups. Can't imagine Doris and Betty shimmying to Little Mix at the O2 whilst all the Little Mix fans have to stay at home because they haven't been vaccinated yet. :lol:

 

Yes initially, but it'll be rolled out to younger people in time for the summer hopefully.

 

Are you saying we should vaccinate the entire population - including those in their 20's and 30's who are perfectly fit and healthy? What if they refuse?

 

Genuine question. It becomes very unethical and disturbing if we start trying to force healthy people to take a vaccine or ban them from society altogether.

 

I am in my 20s and want the vaccine ASAP - I'm sure there are many who would take up the vaccine if given the oppotunity. It would give me some peace of mind that I would be very unlikely to pass COVID to my parents who are both in vunerable categories - although my dad has recently had his first dose of a vaccine. Just because you're perfectly fit and healthy doesn't mean you cannot catch COVID and pass it on to those who aren't as fit and healthy as you - for example your parents and grandparents.

 

And no one is forcing anyone to do anything. It's just a way to temporarily open up parts of the economy which are currently shut. If you had a vaccine passport you could allow certain acitivties for those who have been fully vaccinated to engage in. Don't want the vaccine? Then you won't be able to engage/attend etc.

 

There's a very high possibility you'll need a vaccine passport to travel to many parts of the world this year as well once restrictions are relaxed somewhat.

Hey folks try this test to see how well you know the rules. I only got 4 correct.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55639456

Let's be honest we all knew it was gonna come to this as much as the government bullshitted about it not being the case. No smoke without fire and all.

 

Personally I would probably get the vaccine if it was mandated for international travel and wouldn't be against that. I had numerous jabs before my Africa trip a while back so don't see any differences with this.

 

But to prove you've had it to go to a local pub or a cinema? f***ing BS :lol:

I don’t know if this has been talked about before on here or suggested by anyone, but I’m predicting the strong possibility that soon those in England may require a work permit to leave the house for work. It might be drastic, but for many people who are not classed as key workers, going to work even during lockdown is still a cause for concern and confusion.

 

Take the self-employed, for which I am one. Of course no furlough money exists for us but Universal Credit does. However, in my line of work I am just a humble window cleaner. There are no rules to say that I cannot leave my house to carry out work that simply cannot be done from home because I have to visit customers houses. However, would anyone think that window cleaning is an essential business or a reason why I have to leave the house. I am not a key worker, and so should I be told to stay at home...

 

Or... could a scheme come in place where work permits determine whether someone can legally work away from their home during lockdown and if challenged they have something to support their reasons for working?

 

It is something I had been thinking about and am interested in getting the views of others on here.

But to prove you've had it to go to a local pub or a cinema? f***ing BS :lol:

 

You’re saying that now but did you ever think you would be in a lockdown for close to a year? That you’d be banned from seeing friends and family for so long? When the media start slowly introducing ideas in to our heads and get us familiar with new restrictions before they happen, it causes less public backlash when they’re finally introduced.

 

There’s already people on Twitter celebrating this idea and suggesting all workplaces should make sure their staff have this passport as well. It encourages more and more people to take the vaccine, then there’ll be another ‘new strain’ introduced which means we’ll need a new version of the vaccine and everyone will take it without questioning and that’s when the problems start.

 

Ban me, block me, laugh at me...whatever. It’s incredibly obvious that these conspiracy theorists were right and once we give up certain freedoms we will never get them back.

I don’t know if this has been talked about before on here or suggested by anyone, but I’m predicting the strong possibility that soon those in England may require a work permit to leave the house for work. It might be drastic, but for many people who are not classed as key workers, going to work even during lockdown is still a cause for concern and confusion.

 

Take the self-employed, for which I am one. Of course no furlough money exists for us but Universal Credit does. However, in my line of work I am just a humble window cleaner. There are no rules to say that I cannot leave my house to carry out work that simply cannot be done from home because I have to visit customers houses. However, would anyone think that window cleaning is an essential business or a reason why I have to leave the house. I am not a key worker, and so should I be told to stay at home...

 

Or... could a scheme come in place where work permits determine whether someone can legally work away from their home during lockdown and if challenged they have something to support their reasons for working?

 

It is something I had been thinking about and am interested in getting the views of others on here.

 

I don't think the restrictions will become any stricter than they currently are- that said, I actually have a letter permitting me to travel to work. I haven't been challenged at all, not even under the strictest lockdown in March/April but then I travel to work by bicycle and on mainly rural roads.

 

The definition of 'essential' is an awkard one, I think you could make the case for just about most jobs really but for some people, myself included, actually being able to work is beneficial for my mental health. Construction is continuing, as are many other jobs that work outdoors or where 'working from home' is just not possible and as you are mainly working outside I don't think you are putting your customers or your own health at risk. Therefore if you are happy to work then you should be allowed to continue to work throughout this lockdown, but you should also be supported should you not feel comfortable doing so.

 

I appreciate that I am quite lucky in that I can split my work 50/50 between working from home and in the office and have been able to do so no matter how tough the restrictions have become.

You’re saying that now but did you ever think you would be in a lockdown for close to a year? That you’d be banned from seeing friends and family for so long? When the media start slowly introducing ideas in to our heads and get us familiar with new restrictions before they happen, it causes less public backlash when they’re finally introduced.

 

There’s already people on Twitter celebrating this idea and suggesting all workplaces should make sure their staff have this passport as well. It encourages more and more people to take the vaccine, then there’ll be another ‘new strain’ introduced which means we’ll need a new version of the vaccine and everyone will take it without questioning and that’s when the problems start.

 

Ban me, block me, laugh at me...whatever. It’s incredibly obvious that these conspiracy theorists were right and once we give up certain freedoms we will never get them back.

Just come here to say I completely agree with you.