Brains winning from conspiracies. We love to see it

 

(it is also at roughly 75% in The Netherlands and nearly 80 in Belgium)

f*** the conspiracies. It’s good to see brains winning

Not surprising. Considering the amount of deaths/hospitalisations happening in the UK, a lot of people know all too well the reality of the situation and millions of people have likely had family/friends hospitalisaed or die. A lot of the conspiracy theory/anti vaxx people are generally a minority but appear to be more than what they are thanks to being more vocal through the likes of social media.

 

As well as France, I'm surprised at how low Germany's percentage is.

Glad to see people developing some form of common sense.

Glad to see people developing some form of common sense.

 

 

Common Sense rules. :D

Police broke up a wedding party with 400 guests in north London.

 

Officers found the windows at the Yesoday Hatorah Girls Senior School, a Charedi school in Stamford Hill, had been covered when they arrived at 21:15 GMT on Thursday.

 

The guests fled the scene when officers arrived.

 

The organisers were fined £10,000 for breaching coronavirus regulations, while five other guests were issued £200 fines, police said.

 

 

I hope they track down all the other guests and fine them.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55764673

Ironically the venue was also used in the daytime for a test centre. :rolleyes: Hope they get those who fled and they all get fined. The organiser got walloped with a big fine. Good.

 

They should sit the organiser down and make him give them the names and addresses of all the others - or triple his fine to 30k.

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My parents are borderline with this theory and I’m worried. I’m also worried about a lot of other things they’ve been saying recently.

 

 

I'm worried as my wife's been reading rubbish online and listening to her conspiracy loving employer and as a result says she's not having the vaccine. :(

Edited January 22, 20214 yr by common sense

From the press briefing - R number is now below 1, but the new variant is more deadly.

Not surprising. Considering the amount of deaths/hospitalisations happening in the UK, a lot of people know all too well the reality of the situation and millions of people have likely had family/friends hospitalisaed or die. A lot of the conspiracy theory/anti vaxx people are generally a minority but appear to be more than what they are thanks to being more vocal through the likes of social media.

 

As well as France, I'm surprised at how low Germany's percentage is.

Germany is an odd country. It would be interesting to see the breakdown within Germany by state to see how the East/West Split is and the lingering attitudes from the Post-war Division. Also interesting to see how the migrant communities view the vaccine. You see that there are higher rates of skepticism in the British-SE Asian communities and if that is replicated by the Syrian or Turkish-German communities. but also how the influx of white, often English speaking, wealthy millennial and Gen X migrants view the jag. Especially as many flocked to Berlin for its counter-culture and easy going lifestyles bringing the antivax disease with them from the US, UK and Australia

From the press briefing - R number is now below 1, but the new variant is more deadly.

 

The new variant being more deadly is just spin to the right-wing media and lockdown sceptics. The increase is minimal at best which of course is awful, but that press conference today was purely a "we're going to need to buckle up for the winter and in to spring" moment for us all. I think people who said hospitality for May are going to be proved very right.

 

On a side note, those vaccine numbers are super impressive. If there are minimal issues with supplies then we will be set up great in a few months.

The new variant being more deadly is just spin to the right-wing media and lockdown sceptics.

 

How else would you explain the high daily Covid mortality rate per population in the UK compared to America at the moment which doesn't have as many restrictions though?

Edited January 22, 20214 yr by TheSnake

How else would you explain the high daily Covid mortality rate per population in the UK compared to America at the moment which doesn't have as many restrictions though?

 

America is about 35-40 times the size of the UK, it's harder to spread there full stop compared to the UK. Not only that the coordination has been State led and not Feberal led, so their reporting will not be anywhere near the same and will be undereported on a large scale. Plus they don't have the same healthcare system, I am not sure tests are free either.

The new variant being more deadly is just spin to the right-wing media and lockdown sceptics. The increase is minimal at best which of course is awful, but that press conference today was purely a "we're going to need to buckle up for the winter and in to spring" moment for us all. I think people who said hospitality for May are going to be proved very right.

 

On a side note, those vaccine numbers are super impressive. If there are minimal issues with supplies then we will be set up great in a few months.

 

Agreed - I think Patrick Valance said it may have increased from IFR of 1% to 1.3 or 1.4% in 60 y/o males but the data isn't conclusive. Strikes me as yet another bit of science for the Government to jump on as a way of distracting from the total fuck up that their approach has been thus far (Boris saying immediately after "this is why our hospitals are so full" - no mate, it's because your strategy of controlling the virus has been at best incompetent, and at worst downright negligent and dangerous). Hopefully we'll get a sensible strategy at some point, I mean this pandemic has only been going on for a year...

I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record but I really think there should be some sort of enquiry into the behaviour of the media throughout this whole thing. Their scare tactics and selective reporting have left people feeling absolutely terrified and hopeless. There's a difference between reminding people of the severity of the virus and implying that we're all doomed and that no lockdown seems to work.

 

It makes me absolutely furious seeing those click baiting headlines where they take small parts of data and post them as a headline with zero context then I scroll through the comments and see so many people say they're finally 'giving up' and 'life isn't worth living any more' because of this.

 

It's f***ing disgusting.

I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record but I really think there should be some sort of enquiry into the behaviour of the media throughout this whole thing. Their scare tactics and selective reporting have left people feeling absolutely terrified and hopeless. There's a difference between reminding people of the severity of the virus and implying that we're all doomed and that no lockdown seems to work.

 

It makes me absolutely furious seeing those click baiting headlines where they take small parts of data and post them as a headline with zero context then I scroll through the comments and see so many people say they're finally 'giving up' and 'life isn't worth living any more' because of this.

 

It's f***ing disgusting.

 

None of this is new though, there have loads of studies. I studied Linguistcs at Uni and did a module in media discourse, it's all part of spin. And when the Government are feeding bad news it only means extra clicks and extra revenue in todays internet world (where clickbait is everywhere). This lockdown is especially hard, I know many people who are struggling this time around but just what can we do? The main thing is we just need to buckle down and get the numbers down in the community, which why it boils my blood when I see people having funerals of 150 people not giving a f*** and 150 people attending weddings. So many people are abiding to rules and missing out on weddings, funerals etc.

 

And let's be honest too, things are really bad. I just really hope longer term we can sort our health strategy out. I am seeing more stories of people in their 30s and 40s in relaly bad conditions and when you see photos of the, for the large majority they are more than obese. This is going to be a huge problem for our healthcare system in the future.

I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record but I really think there should be some sort of enquiry into the behaviour of the media throughout this whole thing. Their scare tactics and selective reporting have left people feeling absolutely terrified and hopeless. There's a difference between reminding people of the severity of the virus and implying that we're all doomed and that no lockdown seems to work.

 

It makes me absolutely furious seeing those click baiting headlines where they take small parts of data and post them as a headline with zero context then I scroll through the comments and see so many people say they're finally 'giving up' and 'life isn't worth living any more' because of this.

 

It's f***ing disgusting.

 

Agree 100%

 

I was really freaked out this week by all the fearmongering articles about hospitals full of young people dying.

 

Well then today the figures come out and the total number of people under 40 with no conditions who've died out of 80,000 since March 2020 is...64. And the total number with conditions is under 500.

 

To put it another way that means 79500/80000 who've died have been over 40.

 

Obviously that's no reason not to keep doing everything possible to stay safe but those articles very much have a tone of "it will get you so you might as well give up now" which is SO INCREDIBLY unhelpful.

The media are complicit, and for such a serious topic like this there needs to be rigid journalistic standards adhered to where they are just an information source that promotes expert talking points.

 

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It was one year ago today that the first coronavirus topic was opened up here.

 

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...&hl=tianjin

 

Interesting looking back but we were all so naive in how long this would take to resolve.

Wow a year already! I had a quick look back at the first couple of pages and it’s fair to say we made some posts that have aged like prison toilet wine.

 

Chill guys theres no cases in Berlin at the moment. And major cities you’re unlikely to come across an infected person or contract the infection. Most of the cases in Italy are focused on a few small towns and not in the major cities.

 

No need to panic at the moment. Everything should be fine. And they reckon that the warmer summer weather will kill it off anyway.

 

 

There is a non-zero possibility that all these big international events, Eurovision, the Euros, the Olympics, could be cancelled, postponed or held behind closed doors. And 2020 was such a big year for these too. I mean, international travel would happen anyway (although it may decimate the tourist industry this summer) but the principle of having so many people from different countries all together would be hard to ignore.

 

The hope would be that in the warmer summer infection rates slow but that might not be quick enough to make the decisions. Japan's government in particular have received a big round of criticism for their handling of the situation so far, I think the Olympics is both the likeliest and also the holds the most for people to lose.

 

However before anyone gets too sensationalist, it's only being discussed as a possibility at the moment. The committees in charge of these will be watching to see if any further outbreak centres in new countries spring up.

 

And from the same post -

 

I'm somewhat prone to believing that a lot of the coverage of the coronavirus is overblown - in the last 20 years I've seen overblown coverage over SARS, bird flu & swine flu threatening to become a global pandemic, and in each case whilst there was tragic loss of life, the virus was contained. I have a feeling that this might turn out the same way, but only time will tell.

 

However, in the next 10 years there is going to be a global pandemic as a result of antibiotic resistance, unless world leaders come together and formulate a strategy to create new antibiotics that are resistance to viruses and germs, less we return to a life that's as dangerous as the pre-penicillin days. Sorry to scare you, but it's highly likely the way we're going.

 

Talk about having a speck in the eye with a plank the size of the Empire State.

Hahahaha your point still holds about antibiotics. That’s a real scary thing unless we can start to develop new ones or make use of phage treatments