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I think we haven't really found that line between holding someone accountable and 'cancelling' them.

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The problem with these Twitter pile-ons, regardless of whether or not the person actually deserves it, is that I don't believe anything is gained. The person on the other end of it is not going to learn much from thousands of people screaming at them, and may make them more resentful instead. It doesn't matter how genuinely apologetic they might be, they'll still get ripped to shreds.

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This is the problem that many won't acknowledge. And it is helping people like Trump and DeSantis win. Which is why we need to fix this problem.

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    Utterly bleak. It's Easter but it's also Christmas for the worst people you could ever have the misfortune of engaging with. Hugs and support to all my trans & non-binary acquaintances up north,

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This is my issue with anti-trans people. They donโ€™t want to understand, they donโ€™t even want to talk. They just want to shout and then my shielded from the response/criticism.

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I actually agree with your observation, to a large extent. But this is also a problem for us to fix. We, the ones who want reform, need to encourage a healthy and productive dialogue, and we need to find a way to achieve that urgently. Too many activists are just happy to say that we're right and they're wrong, and we're not changing anything, while LGBT rights are being taken away as a result of the failure of such activism. This is not good enough!

Very sad. I can't see things improving until the current government is no more (really hoping they are wiped out at the next general election).
No surprise - Tories have been using trans peoplr as a wedge culture war issue. Not that long ago a trans woman won Big Brither!! Imagine that happening today :/

The fact its gone from a majority to a minority in just six years is bad enough, but what I find even more frustrating is the internet loons creating a false narrative that it was never higher, that trans people are new etc.

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I've even seen claims that the pandemic made people trans! Come the f on. Lots of disingenuous 'gay is fine but trans is too far' arguing too - as if that didn't used to be the other way round!

The celebrity rhetoric/'cancel culture' bullshit with regards to the conversation certainly hasn't helped, it can also make right wing figures look 'progressive' given the whole caring about women angle, and this government have nicely picked it up as a non-issue to dog whistle at when they want to distract attention. But it seems even so called 'progressives' can't agree on it with it being framed as simple "concern" around women and children and 'accepting your gender' and whatever. I hear murmurs of it at work from colleagues and they all work in learning support which has many students which are trans... :(

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It's really sad, it seems the one minority that the bigots can hold onto still persecuting and it being acceptable, hopefully a new government will bring a less openly transphobic equality minister but then Labour haven't exactly been outspoken about their trans support...:/

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The increase in transphobic opinion is depressing, although I like to remind myself it isn't an issue that the majority of people wake up in the morning worrying about compared to say cost of living, health or even immigration. The Tories' obsession with it (helped all the way by our disgusting media) isn't exactly giving them a big lead in the polls.

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That's of no consolidation to the trans people, their allies (and let's not forget trans appearing people) who suffer abuse and discrimination on a more frequent basis.

The increase in transphobic opinion is depressing, although I like to remind myself it isn't an issue that the majority of people wake up in the morning worrying about compared to say cost of living, health or even immigration. The Tories' obsession with it (helped all the way by our disgusting media) isn't exactly giving them a big lead in the polls.

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That's of no consolidation to the trans people, their allies (and let's not forget trans appearing people) who suffer abuse and discrimination on a more frequent basis.

I don't understand what the endgame is for all of this from the Tories' perspective.

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I know there's using it as a distraction and everything else but it's like they don't even care about the fact they're playing with people's lives. I know they're Tories but still.

Honestly so many Tory policies in the last few years have come off like they DON'T realise they have real world impacts, and they are just RPGing with hypotheticals.

I'm sure everyone will be thrilled to know JK Rowling has released a new detective book...

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in which an autistic teenager is coerced into joining a dangerous religious cult where anyone who criticises it is cancelled. Inside the cult everyone is made to have sex with each other, even if they are lesbians or gay they are made to have sex with people with bodies they aren't attracted to. This is in no way indicative of Rowling's views about any group of people...

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Luckily the hero of the book is able to infiltrate the cult by dyeing her hair blue.

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Oh, and it's 900 pages long. Remember this used to be an award-winning author famed for her creativity and imaginativeness?

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https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/28/jk-r...ew-lgbtq-trans/

My god has this woman no self awareness at all?
Why does it have to be an autistic teenager too? I'm autistic and I'm not sure if she's basically mocking us for being easily led (which may be true but still).

I'd hope them being autistic isn't a huge plot point but one of the gender critical talking points does seem to be about the link between being autistic and being trans so that's probably why

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my mum had of course already read half the book already before I'd heard of its existence lol

The darkly amusing thing that I take from this besides the obvious impacts is:

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You Tories have been in power for THIRTEEN YEARS and for TWELVE YEARS AND ELEVEN MONTHS you had zero issue with trans women being on women's wards, otherwise you would have raised it sooner.

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Why is it SUDDENLY an issue?

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And now a long standing gay London Assembly member was removed by the police from Suella Braverman for, very gently, commenting out loud about her latest Hitler-style anti-trans rant.

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But we ain't seen nothing yet sadly. What a depressing time we live in.

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This is so worrying, I just despair. Why arenโ€™t they concerned for the dignity of trans women? Or trans men for that matter?

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