Obviously Kylie's achievement of a solo top 10 is on another level as having a top 10 as feature

it's the same as Jess Glynne and her number 1s, half of which are features

but Madonna's achievement is also important, don't think it should be underrated, for someone who peaked in the 80s with 22 top 10 hits to still go top 10 in 2024 at age 65, even as feature, people have to be willing to collaborate with you

 

 

What planet are you on? Peaked in the 80s? 22 top 10 hits?

 

Madonna has had 63 (soon to be 64 possibly) top 10 hits in the UK and had huge eras in the 80's, 90's and 00's. No other female artist has matched her as of yet and likely never will in terms of consistent success over such a long period.

I suspect he means that she had 22 top 10 hits in the 80s. And I don't think it's unfair to say peaked in the 80s, just because that's when her biggest sellers were from, both singles and albums - it doesn't mean she didn't continue to do exceptionally well in the 90s and 00s as you say... plus I think generally he was praising her, saying that it's really rare for someone who was that huge in the 80s to still be getting anywhere near top 10 now

Almost every pop star has a peak, even those who are massively successful for decades, there's usually a period where they are at their biggest. I can't really think of any pop stars where you can't determine when their peak was, although I guess there will be a few with two very similar-sized peaks or who were maybe consistent at a low level for a long time.

I suspect he means that she had 22 top 10 hits in the 80s. And I don't think it's unfair to say peaked in the 80s, just because that's when her biggest sellers were from, both singles and albums - it doesn't mean she didn't continue to do exceptionally well in the 90s and 00s as you say... plus I think generally he was praising her, saying that it's really rare for someone who was that huge in the 80s to still be getting anywhere near top 10 now

 

 

That's fair enough and I can see your point. However her biggest selling album was released in 1990 and she had 24 (so more) top 10s in the 90's and I'd argue Ray of light and Music were overall eras just as big as Like a prayer, True Blue and Like a virgin. It's what makes Madonna so uber successful in a way most other artists can't compare to.

Edited January 30, 20242 yr by spiceboy

Ah I wasn't really including the Immaculate Collection as it's a best of (songs from the 80s :kink: )

 

(and yes I am just being picky for lols there - I do agree that she was very successful with those other albums too x )

Ah I wasn't really including the Immaculate Collection as it's a best of (songs from the 80s :kink: )

 

(and yes I am just being picky for lols there - I do agree that she was very successful with those other albums too x )

 

 

(To be fair I was being picky picking that album out when it has like 3 90s tracks on it :lol: and then I went on wikipedia to count her 90's top 10s :lol: :lol: :lol: )

Suppose the 1990-99 period is longer than 84-89 in terms of comparison, just being pedantic though!

Madonna was much much much bigger in the 80s than in the 90s, in the 90s she only had a big era (Ray of Light) and that was mainly UK, it wasn't in the US (bare in mind Music is from the 00s)

In comparison with Like a Prayer, True Blue or Like a Virgin, her 90s albums were floppy especially the early 90s ones (Erotica, Bedtime stories)

 

before the Immaculate Collection, she had 7 #1s, 5 #2s, 3 #3s, 7 top 5s, for a total of 22 top 5s

after the Immaculate Collection she could still hit the top 10 regularly but nowhere near the top and albums were doing much worse too. After IC in the 90s she had: 1 #1, 2 #2s, 3 #3s, 3 top #5s... good figures but cannot really compare

 

 

 

 

 

Madonna was much much much bigger in the 80s than in the 90s, in the 90s she only had a big era (Ray of Light) and that was mainly UK, it wasn't in the US (bare in mind Music is from the 00s)

In comparison with Like a Prayer, True Blue or Like a Virgin, her 90s albums were floppy especially the early 90s ones (Erotica, Bedtime stories)

 

before the Immaculate Collection, she had 7 #1s, 5 #2s, 3 #3s, 7 top 5s, for a total of 22 top 5s

after the Immaculate Collection she could still hit the top 10 regularly but nowhere near the top and albums were doing much worse too. After IC in the 90s she had: 1 #1, 2 #2s, 3 #3s, 3 top #5s... good figures but cannot really compare

 

I'm going to have to disagree that Ray of Light wasn't a big era in the US. It was a huge commercial and critical success. In the US, it was in the Top 20 best selling albums of 1998, and was in the top 100 selling albums the following year too. It set the record for biggest first-week sales by a female artist in SoundScan era at that time with 371,000 copies sold in its first week, and won multiple US awards. It was only kept of #1 by the juggernaut that was Titanic, but it was a huge commercial success, with US sales of 4.5 million +. Worldwide sales are circa 16 million, so I'd hardly say that it was only a big era in the UK. It was in the top 10 selling albums of the year in most European countries too.

Madonna was much much much bigger in the 80s than in the 90s

"Much much much bigger"? There you go again with your over-exaggeration :unsure:

I think it all depends on how we define "big". Yes, in terms of chart stats, she was more successful in the 80s for sure (although I wouldn't say much much much more successful lol). But chart stats are not the only measure of big. By the 90s she was a global megastar, you'd be hard pushed to find anyone in the world who didn't know who Madonna was. Everything she did made news. So if we define it in terms of fame, she was just as big in the 90s as the 80s (if not bigger).

Edited January 31, 20242 yr by Mangø

If we’re talking UK stats I’d say Madonna was just as big if not bigger in the 90s! 24 of her UK top 10 singles came in the 90s and she had one of her biggest selling albums in the 90s with Ray of Light!

Both Madonna and Kylie have been hugely successful and broken all sorts of records in their own ways. Can we please move on from this discussion and just celebrate the fact that both are women in their 50's and 60's who are still getting hits?

Edited January 31, 20242 yr by Rob

I'd argue that Celine Dion was bigger than Madonna in the UK in the 1990s. Celine had two million-selling #1 hits in the 1990s (Think Twice and My Heart Will Go On), whereas Madonna didn't get a million-selling single until just a few years ago, thanks to streaming. Think Twice spent 7 weeks at #1. I don't think any of Madonna's singles released in the 1990s (maybe the 1980s as well) spent this long at the top spot, not even Vogue.

 

Then there are Celine's album sales:

 

The Colour of My Love - 1.8m

Falling Into You - 2.1m

Let's Talk About Love - 2.0m

All the Way - 1.3m

 

That's over 7 million sales in just five years.

 

 

As for the US, no other female artist comes close to Mariah Carey in the 1990s. She's the best-selling artist of the SoundScan era. She accumulated 14 #1 hits on the Hot 100 between 1990 and 1999, compared to Madonna's four. Mariah was the first female artist to debut at #1 on the Hot 100. One Sweet Day spent 16 consecutive weeks at #1. In comparison, Madonna's longest-running charttopper, Take a Bow, spent 7 weeks at #1.

 

Mariah had four #1 albums on the Billboard 200 in the 1990s, whereas Madonna had none. Music Box and Daydream are both certified diamond in the US. None of Madonna's studio albums came close to a diamond certification in the 1990s, not even Ray of Light. Madonna's last #1 single on the Hot 100 was way back in 2000, whereas Mariah has had four since then, including 14 weeks at the top spot with We Belong Together. The Emancipation of Mimi has sold six million copies in the US alone. The last time Madonna sold this many copies of an album (The Immaculate Collection) was in the early 1990s.

 

Then there's Whitney. In the 1980s, she had two diamond-certified albums and seven consecutive #1 hits in the US. In the 1990s, I Will Always Love You and The Bodyguard soundtrack were more successful than anything Madonna has put out in the US, the UK and everywhere else in the world since the start of her career. Janet Jackson is worth mentioning, too. She was huge in the early 1990s.

 

Despite what Madonna fans think, she has never remained the best-performing female artist in every year of every decade. I think it's safe to assume Taylor Swift will eventually surpass her sales in the US and worldwide. She's seemingly unstoppable.

 

I'd argue that Celine Dion was bigger than Madonna in the UK in the 1990s.

Well, this is certainly an opinion :lol:

 

Despite what Madonna fans think, she has never remained the best-performing female artist in every year of every decade.

I don't think anyone has been trying to argue that she was?

I'd argue that Celine Dion was bigger than Madonna in the UK in the 1990s. Celine had two million-selling #1 hits in the 1990s (Think Twice and My Heart Will Go On), whereas Madonna didn't get a million-selling single until just a few years ago, thanks to streaming. Think Twice spent 7 weeks at #1. I don't think any of Madonna's singles released in the 1990s (maybe the 1980s as well) spent this long at the top spot, not even Vogue.

 

Then there are Celine's album sales:

 

The Colour of My Love - 1.8m

Falling Into You - 2.1m

Let's Talk About Love - 2.0m

All the Way - 1.3m

 

That's over 7 million sales in just five years.

As for the US, no other female artist comes close to Mariah Carey in the 1990s. She's the best-selling artist of the SoundScan era. She accumulated 14 #1 hits on the Hot 100 between 1990 and 1999, compared to Madonna's four. Mariah was the first female artist to debut at #1 on the Hot 100. One Sweet Day spent 16 consecutive weeks at #1. In comparison, Madonna's longest-running charttopper, Take a Bow, spent 7 weeks at #1.

 

Mariah had four #1 albums on the Billboard 200 in the 1990s, whereas Madonna had none. Music Box and Daydream are both certified diamond in the US. None of Madonna's studio albums came close to a diamond certification in the 1990s, not even Ray of Light. Madonna's last #1 single on the Hot 100 was way back in 2000, whereas Mariah has had four since then, including 14 weeks at the top spot with We Belong Together. The Emancipation of Mimi has sold six million copies in the US alone. The last time Madonna sold this many copies of an album (The Immaculate Collection) was in the early 1990s.

 

Then there's Whitney. In the 1980s, she had two diamond-certified albums and seven consecutive #1 hits in the US. In the 1990s, I Will Always Love You and The Bodyguard soundtrack were more successful than anything Madonna has put out in the US, the UK and everywhere else in the world since the start of her career. Janet Jackson is worth mentioning, too. She was huge in the early 1990s.

 

Despite what Madonna fans think, she has never remained the best-performing female artist in every year of every decade. I think it's safe to assume Taylor Swift will eventually surpass her sales in the US and worldwide. She's seemingly unstoppable.

 

What an odd (and very off-topic) post. You seem pretty obsessed with Madonna :lol:

What an odd (and very off-topic) post. You seem pretty obsessed with Madonna :lol:

 

Some valid points made but I think the other artist mentioned we’re not so big elsewhere like Madonna was I don’t have all stats but fans will defend there artist but should be done on a different platform this being chart based site!

Some valid points made but I think the other artist mentioned we’re not so big elsewhere like Madonna was I don’t have all stats but fans will defend there artist but should be done on a different platform this being chart based site!

 

Points to a question literally no one asked!

Points to a question literally no one asked!

 

Suggest you scroll up page and see others regarding your comment!

Maybe people could discuss the merits of Madonnas career in her unused forum on here?

is there a Madonna forum? :D