2 minutes ago, conorw said:

its may... the christmas songs arent affecting the charts currently so whats the need to bring them up, they aren't causing the current overload of older songs in the top 40

I’m talking about the charts all year round, not just now and that’s why I said no random/unnecessary resets

34 minutes ago, Hadji said:

I only agree with old songs charting when they haven’t charted before and I only agree with songs recharting when it’s because of films ie. MJ and not because of TikTok ie. Lush Life

This is an odd take. You like songs recharting when people in the business have orchestrated it by placing it in a film, but not when the public have taken it and run with it (which is often the case with movie songs anyway...)? If anything, recharting because a song was fortunate enough to be selected for use in a film is more dubious - though I don't really agree with that.

I think the main issue is that streaming services don't place enough new music on their major playlists or remove old songs often enough. I doubt most people dig deeper than what appears prominently in film/TV or what is added (usually high up) to the major streaming playlists. And that is why what does well varies so much between streaming services - Apple seem to refresh theirs more often (and with different songs to those on Spotify), leading to different songs charting, and their comparatively quickly moving Top 100s.

So typically, a song that does well on Apple but not on Spotify will trouble the lower reaches (due to a lower market share), for a short time (because they pull the support plug quicker, in favour of something fresher), on the official chart. Higher market share + infrequent changes in support = long chart runs in the higher positions.

Edited Wednesday at 10:412 days by Juranamo

I really don't think playlists curated by streaming services that aren't Amazon have as big of an impact now so can't see how them promoting new music on there would change anything. If Today's Top Hits on Spotify is so influential how come Choosin' Texas hasn't gone top 10 yet? The main way people discover new music now is through social media and it just so happens that all the big videos use old songs that a young TikTok audience may be hearing for the first time or rediscovering and that gets reflected in the charts. And with attention spans so low people aren't enthusiastic about actually seeking new music unless it's handed to them on a plate or it's a big release by a megastar that is sure to be discussed online.

2 minutes ago, gasman449 said:

I really don't think playlists curated by streaming services that aren't Amazon have as big of an impact now so can't see how them promoting new music on there would change anything. If Today's Top Hits on Spotify is so influential how come Choosin' Texas hasn't gone top 10 yet? The main way people discover new music now is through social media and it just so happens that all the big videos use old songs that a young TikTok audience may be hearing for the first time or rediscovering and that gets reflected in the charts. And with attention spans so low people aren't enthusiastic about actually seeking new music unless it's handed to them on a plate or it's a big release by a megastar that is sure to be discussed online.

Alot of this is essentially what I said though... People only really listen to what they're fed through tiktok/film (usually by those songs also going viral on tiktok too), with the rest coming from the big playlists on their streaming platform.

I think Ella is a good case for that actually, it's doing well because it's been playlisted by Spotify - but hasn't quite made it to the Top 10 because it hasn't gone viral on social media in the same way as some others. The absolute biggest songs almost always have decent social media uptake, and they continue to be consumed beyond their initial viral spurt due to extended playlisting on Spotify.

If playlists didn't hold much weight, I'm sure Apple's Top 100 would look very similar to Spotify's, but it really doesn't! I'm sure both factors are fairly equal (as seen by the multitude of viral songs that perform similarly to the songs that are promoted for a short time on Apple because they didn't get picked up by Spotify)

Edited Wednesday at 11:402 days by Juranamo

Playlists are not a bad thing it’s just that streaming services seem to be incredibly slow at updating them or just move big songs around at the top end.

Playlists are the new radio - often when I’m in the office the Hot Hits playlist is being streamed.

3 hours ago, gasman449 said:

I really don't think playlists curated by streaming services that aren't Amazon have as big of an impact now so can't see how them promoting new music on there would change anything. If Today's Top Hits on Spotify is so influential how come Choosin' Texas hasn't gone top 10 yet? The main way people discover new music now is through social media and it just so happens that all the big videos use old songs that a young TikTok audience may be hearing for the first time or rediscovering and that gets reflected in the charts. And with attention spans so low people aren't enthusiastic about actually seeking new music unless it's handed to them on a plate or it's a big release by a megastar that is sure to be discussed online.

It's funny you mention attention spans as it's amusing to me that the 'younger generation' (of which I'll forcibly shoehorn myself into on this occasion) are given a rep for having zero attention spans but when it comes to music we're seemingly happy to spam the same songs over and over and certainly majoritively aren't looking for the next shiny toy. Compare that with charts of the 90s and 00s which were far more dynamic with #1s changing hands seemingly all the time so maybe it's actually our forefathers and foremothers who had the short attention spans?

34 minutes ago, Dobbo said:

It's funny you mention attention spans as it's amusing to me that the 'younger generation' (of which I'll forcibly shoehorn myself into on this occasion) are given a rep for having zero attention spans but when it comes to music we're seemingly happy to spam the same songs over and over and certainly majoritively aren't looking for the next shiny toy. Compare that with charts of the 90s and 00s which were far more dynamic with #1s changing hands seemingly all the time so maybe it's actually our forefathers and foremothers who had the short attention spans?

No. I disagree. Comparing pre-digital to post-digital is a bit of a moot point. Pre-digital the only way to access/own the song was to buy it physically. Which meant stock limitations. There was many a time where I wanted to buy a single but couldn’t due to it being out of stock or even discontinued after a certain amount of time! So we had to buy it quick and thus not allowing much room for songs to grow after the initial first couple of weeks or so.

Music Week Top 40 Sales Flash

Singles

01 Sam Fender & Olivia Dean - Rein Me In (28,902)

02 Michael Jackson - Billie Jean (19,600)

03 Tame Impala - Dracula (19,527)

04 Michael Jackson - Beat It (16,132)

05 Olivia Rodrigo - drop dead (15,781)

06 Michael Jackson - Human Nature (15,689)

07 The Chemical Brothers - Go

15 Ella Langley - Choosin' Texas

20 Alex Warren - Ordinary

21 Prospa & Cloonee - Free Your Mind

22 Malcolm Todd - Earrings

24 SIENNA SPIRO - Material Lover

25 Charli xcx - Rock Music

26 The Jackson 5 - I Want You Back

32 Katy Perry - The One That Got Away

34 Temper City - Self Aware

35 SIENNA SPIRO - The Visitor

37 STELLA LEFTY - Boston

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Albums (Top 100)

01 Westlife - 25 - The Ultimate Collection (24,302) [22,627 physicals, 677 downloads, 998 streaming]

02 Michael Jackson - The Essential (18,446)

03 Reverend and the Makers - Is This How Happiness Feels? (8,289)

04 Noah Kahan - The Great Divide (7,687)

05 Olivia Dean - The Art of Loving (7,353)

07 Michael Jackson - Bad

08 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop

09 Basement - WIRED

10 Harry Styles - Kiss All the Time. Disco, Occasionally.

14 Sabrina Carpenter - Man's Best Friend

15 Chris Brown - BROWN
16 Oasis - Time Flies: 1994-2009

17 The Covasettes - Honeymoon Forever

18 ABBA - Gold: Greatest Hits

30 Midge Ure - A Man of Two Worlds

31 Sleep Token - Even in Arcadia

34 Billie Eilish - HIT ME HARD AND SOFT

35 MUNA - Dancing on the Wall

36 Neil Diamond - Wild at Heart

38 Black Veil Brides - VINDICATE

39 Michael Jackson - Off the Wall

Yesss! For Human Nature - and so high compared with where it would have been on Monday. Another hit for Thriller.

Ooh if Human Nature peaks at 6 that's a Michael top 10 bingo!

I hope Human Nature can stay ahead and go straight into the top 10 and looks like he could take up 60% of the top 5

Edited Wednesday at 17:012 days by Hadji

Westlife are losing it right?

6 minutes ago, gasman449 said:

Ooh if Human Nature peaks at 6 that's a Michael top 10 bingo!

The amount that Human Nature must have closed in on Beat It since Monday, I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up at 4, or at least 5. It’s only 443 behind Beat It and only 92 behind Olivia Rodrigo despite being starred out at the bottom of the top 10 on Monday.

Also very close for number 2 between Billie Jean and Dracula (just 73 sales).

Edit: Human Nature wasn’t even top 13 on Sunday and wasn’t top 10 on Monday so it really is flying now. It’s notably ahead of both Olivia Rodrigo and Beat It on Apple and Spotify.

Edited Wednesday at 17:112 days by GreyAsh

Human Nature coming for a top 5 peak 👏🏽

I know everyone else has already said it but YAY FOR HUMAN NATURE

Looks like it's gonna come down to the wire for Wetlife (sic).

This Jackson surge genuinely baffles me. It’s like his past has been completely erased

So Jackson gonna get 3 songs in top 5 by Friday.

In albums a greatest hits album verses a greatest hit album lol

Delighted...HN is one of my favourite MJ songs of all time...Great to finally see it chart in the UK!!

Landmark day if a human nature gets in the chart on Friday

Its hasnt charted before?