Why does this mean that trans people shouldn't receive care?

 

Nowhere did I say this. I said "trans kids" are a newly created phenomena and should probably be checked for autism.

 

Actually, anyone who is trans should be checked.

The tweet implied stopping of trans care.

 

But as to the autistic point, we already tend to know that there is some overlap between transness and autism, more than you'd expect, though certainly not every trans person. Possibly due to autistic people not caring as much for societal norms. But that doesn't mean we should question the diagnosis of autistic people or stop them if they are both.

The tweet implied stopping of trans care.

 

But as to the autistic point, we already tend to know that there is some overlap between transness and autism, more than you'd expect, though certainly not every trans person. Possibly due to autistic people not caring as much for societal norms. But that doesn't mean we should question the diagnosis of autistic people or stop them if they are both.

 

Or you know, due to how many autistic peeps tend to have special interests and how they end up masking.

 

But what do I know!

 

There's, for some reason, a record amount of "trans people" these days. Have no idea why! :yahoo:

Theres also record amounts of the rest of the alphabet mafia too.

 

It’s no longer illegal, people don’t have to hide who they have always been, society is more accepting && many many more reasons why there’s more of all of us

Torygraph are angry today because a trans woman finished… 6160th in the London Marathon women’s category

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/ju...to-gender-views

 

Not voting for this party, see ya

Oh god the next election is going to be an unneeded shambles. Why are Labour taking the shittiest stance on everything? Why are the bigots in this country always pandered to more than anyone?

It's frustrating, the Tories have been in power for exactly half of my life and a change I've been hoping for is finally very likely on the horizon, yet with the current obvious faults of the Labour party including the noted transphobe above the most enthusiasm I can muster up right now about a turning of the tide in power is "well at least it's not the Tories"... sigh

I wiuld still vote for them in the hope this is a ploy to get votes bc lesser of two evils but... I seriously think both parties overestimate the amount of people who are transphobic. Women especially! I literally don't think I know any transphobic women. Even my mum who doesn't like drag queens!

 

On another note. Amused to see arch transphobe Kathleen Stock recently u-turning as soon as she was actually negatively affected by her allies. Apparently when it comes to lesbian rights, I quote: "sometimes biological reality isn't everything"! What a hypocrite!

This one really hurts.

 

One of my favourite artists of all time and queer icon, Róisín Murphy, had some misinformation uncovered on Facebook about puberty blockers and her anger about potentially being labelled a TERF. Absolutely no word from her until this morning when she pinned a transphobic account to her Instagram about how the trans lobby is 'transing away our gay youth' — truly disappointing. I don't understand how this happens to someone so heavily involved in the queer community, who has borrowed from and had support for literal decades. Unbelievable.

 

Graham Linehan and other right-wing transphobes who had no interest in her and didn't know she existed until this weekend have now come to her defence.

 

 

Oh yes, I fell into a wormhole about this after noticing that her Popjustice thread had transphobe in its title... really disappointing.

 

It's disturbing that so much fear-mongering about children is being used as an angle to suck people in.

You've summed up how I feel about this, I tried to draw on huge amounts of copium to make sense of it by thinking it was perhaps a one-off misguided comment coming from a place of ignorance, but the doubling down (although apparently she has now un-pinned this transphobic comment) with no explanation seems to betray it as her genuine strongly and deeply held opinion. It's very sad and heartbreaking to now see this mask slip, especially given as you say she is a hugely influential and respected artist and an icon in the queer community.

 

It feels like we've lost Róisín, lost her to the monsters that inhabit Glinner and all the other transphobes who spend basically all of their time and oxygen on hatred and division. I hope she is given the chance to reflect on this and at the very least distances herself from those awful people.

I think this is a slight overreaction tbh. I’m not a fan of condemning people for mistakes and I do think that it’s understandable why perfectly caring individuals could consider puberty blockers as worrying, it doesn’t instinctively feel like a good thing to do and there isn’t a lot out there at the moment about the potential positive effects of using them.

 

Cancel culture is awful really and reflects the very worst of social media in my opinion. Things should be kept in perspective and people should be given chance to learn more without being expected to get everything right from the off. I’m willing to wait and see what she does from here on in - the overdramatic response can be more damaging. People can be right about things but bombarding their own viewpoint in a shouty kinda way doesn’t help - I read some of the replies and just think they are more off-putting to people who haven’t made up their mind on issues.

How can she be a TERF when nothing she said was about trans women? It was about puberty blockers and she termed trans young people as little mixed up kids.

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I think this is a slight overreaction tbh. I’m not a fan of condemning people for mistakes and I do think that it’s understandable why perfectly caring individuals could consider puberty blockers as worrying, it doesn’t instinctively feel like a good thing to do and there isn’t a lot out there at the moment about the potential positive effects of using them.

 

Cancel culture is awful really and reflects the very worst of social media in my opinion. Things should be kept in perspective and people should be given chance to learn more without being expected to get everything right from the off. I’m willing to wait and see what she does from here on in - the overdramatic response can be more damaging. People can be right about things but bombarding their own viewpoint in a shouty kinda way doesn’t help - I read some of the replies and just think they are more off-putting to people who haven’t made up their mind on issues.

 

 

I agree 100%. But maybe that's my cis privilege showing.

Yeah maybe so, it can be difficult to be that self aware sometimes - although I do hope not as I think how people behave on social media when someone says something either ill informed or that they don't agree with is a problem across all issues, I wouldn't just say it's only a problem with this particular topic.

Yeah maybe so, it can be difficult to be that self aware sometimes - although I do hope not as I think how people behave on social media when someone says something either ill informed or that they don't agree with is a problem across all issues, I wouldn't just say it's only a problem with this particular topic.

 

 

I didn't mean to accuse you of having cis privilege. :(

lol you didn't! I was just agreeing that it was a possibility! And realistically I do have that privilege, it's just difficult to know at times whether that influences your views or not on an issue.

I generally think that social media and the internet in general is an inadequate platform to discuss contentious issues because body language and tone of voice aren't taken into account. All it takes is a slightly misjudged comment and both sides become polarised and it's all over.

Social media and the internet sadly is where most of discussions take place nowadays and such debates are leading lots of topics (not just this one) to very dark places.