I'm not sure how many people here read Chris Grey's weekly Brexit Blog (https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/) but with little actually changing or taking place in the negotiations he discusses in this week's edition the increasing likelihood of the breakup of the UK in the coming decade. United we ain't, even interest in Welsh independence has soared from literally near zero to 33%.

I think Wales will always rely on England due to how small it is but Scotland and civil war in Ireland are likely getting a lot closer no doubt, thanks a lot English MPs - maybe it's like Irish political reps from annationalist view point always thought the act of union wasn't in Irish interests??

 

I'm still awaiting the first dup/loyalist picket at the future border controls at ports in NI and them all failing totally to see the irony of it all.

People always say that about Wales but there are many countries smaller than Wales that prosper independently. People haven’t previously been that bothered about Welsh independence and a lot of that is to do with English families settling across the border. But this pandemic has been really testing and Wales have handled things better than England and this is being noted. The devolved government, whilst not perfect, is showing what it can do. When Scotland and NI leave the union then Wales will be asking ‘why not us too?’ It’s not going to happen in the near future but if Tory governments keep getting voted into Westminster then it will become more and more likely.

I don't think Wales' size or population is really a problem, but much of the country is uniquely interlinked with England's economy: North East Wales has no cities of its own* and is closer to Chester, Liverpool and Manchester than it is to Cardiff. It doesn't mean that Wales can't be independent but it does mean that the performance of the country's economy will be forever dependent on England's economy. Of course, in an ideal world, an independent country would retain close economic links with its neighbours, but then again, in an ideal world, Brexit wouldn't have happened).

 

Whereas Scotland is bigger, yes, but it's also geographically different, with both sides of the England-Scotland border being fairly rural, no real cross-border agglomerations to speak of and the economy centred on the Central Belt, which is quite separate to England.

 

I'm pretty sure my view on this is coloured by my hatred for nearby Geneva, which is cut off from the rest of Switzerland and surrounded on 3 sides by French commuter towns and is rather dysfunctional despite centuries of cooperative diplomatic relations. Do better than France and Switzerland pls.

 

*St Asaph is a meme city.

Flintshire/Wrexham is also rather full of workers from Liverpool/Chester/The Wirral that want cheap housing. My parents are both from Chester and half our family live or have at points lived in North Wales instead of Cheshire. Frontier workers are fairly normal in a lot of Europe but the numbers along the Anglo-Scots border is fairly wee, especially in comparison to the Anglo-Welsh one.

 

 

 

@Chris. Big slow clap for you for missing the point entirely. We’re out the EU. Why in such a rush to put up barriers we have no means of enforcing?? It’s f***ing stupid. If no deal is your chosen belief then whatever (personally i think anyone who thinks it’s a sound and viable strategy is a f***ing moron, but that is also my general view of brexiteers) but surely anyone who wants that wants to have the infrastructure in place for it before we do it. This is just going to be an unmitigated disaster.

 

 

 

Am tempted to raffle off my spare room amongst friends and family who want to avoid being in the UK for January’s food shortages

Am tempted to raffle off my spare room amongst friends and family who want to avoid being in the UK for January’s food shortages

Nah, just let me use it for a few weeks. It'll give me the chance to resurrect my German.

Silas’s point was these snags were not unforeseen.

 

Anyway we’ve been out of the EU almost 6 months, isn’t it everything you always wanted?

 

 

Yes it is. Of course there'll be minor problems at ports etc at first. Anyone with a brain understands that but am sure the Government will be able to sort things out pretty quickly.

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:lol:

Yes it is. Of course there'll be minor problems at ports etc at first. Anyone with a brain understands that but am sure the Government will be able to sort things out pretty quickly.

So what have you gained from it so far?

Yes it is. Of course there'll be minor problems at ports etc at first. Anyone with a brain understands that but am sure the Government will be able to sort things out pretty quickly.

 

Anyone with a brain has observed the government these last few months and realised that they can’t do ‘sort out’ or ‘quickly’.

Yes it is. Of course there'll be minor problems at ports etc at first. Anyone with a brain understands that but am sure the Government will be able to sort things out pretty quickly.

 

The same government that awarded a ferry contract to a company that had no ferries? :lol:

Yes it is. Of course there'll be minor problems at ports etc at first. Anyone with a brain understands that but am sure the Government will be able to sort things out pretty quickly.

What evidence do you have that the current government can sort anything out quickly? (and I mean competently).

 

Asking seriously, I am curious what you base your delusions on.

They will produce a world beating Brexit deal!!

All those questions but no Chris to answer them. I wonder why~

All those questions but no Chris to answer them. I wonder why~

 

He probably thinks his silence is the will of the people and democracy must be respected.

He probably thinks his silence is the will of the people and democracy must be respected.

Or, more likely, he's just out of his depth. As usual.

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Half a billion on a lorry park in Kent. Money well spent.

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59.4% of Ashford voted for Brexit. Did people really think there would be no repercussions?

Ah, Kent turning into an asphalt lorry park, guess it's what the people voted for.

 

This would have been mitigated so much if Britain were even just staying in the customs union. And we're leaving that because... ideological purity? what?

Where is Chris to answer these questions?