Who are the non important groups, Rooney?

Personally although I love clubs and gigs I struggle to see how indoor events can happen without social distancing if it does create load on the NHS due to asymptomatic infections. Not sure what ones yet. Can't see them getting rid of masks in shops and on public transport although enforcing them will be a bugger.

 

Maybe they'll make it so that anywhere that older people are likely to go, like public transport and shops can still have mask and social distancing rules but anywhere where they are not likely to go, ie. nightclubs, can have less of that (but staff maybe still wearing masks).

I'm really annoyed about the Euro 2021 football. It's basically become an event that's superspreading the delta variant everywhere via fans. Not just in the UK but across Europe too as fans travel all over to attend matches. :( I feel like it was perhaps too soon to start allowing football fans to attend again with the delta variant around and maybe it should've been postponed another year.

I'm really annoyed about the Euro 2021 football. It's basically become an event that's superspreading the delta variant everywhere via fans. Not just in the UK but across Europe too as fans travel all over to attend matches. :( I feel like it was perhaps too soon to start allowing football fans to attend again with the delta variant around and maybe it should've been postponed another year.

Postponing it another year really wasn't practical. If it wasn't happening now, UEFA would have had to abandon it altogether. Thye problem has been exacerbated by they format with matches taking place across the continent. Having players (as well as other staff, officials, journalists etc.) travelling around Europe in a pandemic wasn't the smartest idea.

Maybe they'll make it so that anywhere that older people are likely to go, like public transport and shops can still have mask and social distancing rules but anywhere where they are not likely to go, ie. nightclubs, can have less of that (but staff maybe still wearing masks).

 

Thats what we should have done from the outset.

 

Locking everyone down JUST IN CASE they came across a retired person who had the easiest time in the world isolating from anyone else due to getting essentially guaranteed UBI and prioritised food delivery slots was an incredible overreaction after we found out that it was older people that were by a factor of about 1000 the most vulnerable.

 

Before we even get to the many ways they by the backdoor then encouraged retired people to be the first to go back and socialise by prioritising e.g. garden centres to open up.

Who are the non important groups, Rooney?

 

The ones that just watch films in lessons in the last couple of weeks.

Thats what we should have done from the outset.

 

Locking everyone down JUST IN CASE they came across a retired person who had the easiest time in the world isolating from anyone else due to getting essentially guaranteed UBI and prioritised food delivery slots was an incredible overreaction after we found out that it was older people that were by a factor of about 1000 the most vulnerable.

 

Before we even get to the many ways they by the backdoor then encouraged retired people to be the first to go back and socialise by prioritising e.g. garden centres to open up.

 

If there had been no lockdowns the UK Covid death rate would have been much higher surely? Even food deliveries for the elderly wouldnt have been safe as more delivery workers would have had Covid and any groceries they touched could have the virus on them.

The ones that just watch films in lessons in the last couple of weeks.

 

So no one then?

 

Such a cliched view from someone who clearly hasn’t been to a school for a while. Even pre-pandemic, schools would only show films on the very last day of term. We should be going on school trips, having sports days, holding end of year concerts, having transition days for new pupils but all of this has been scrapped because of Covid. Kids are following full timetables with already the pressure of people saying they are behind and need to catch up. They’ve had a very stressful 16 months but as long as we label them as non important (despite the rush to put them back in danger of catching the virus before anybody else) I guess that’s ok.

Thanks to some research done in the UK and in a bid to head off the Delta variant, Stiko - the German vaccination body, has announced that anyone who gets a first dose from AZ should get an mRNA vaccine as a follow up due to the improved immunity response it generates. This was already official German policy for the under 60‘s who had got an AZ first dose before The under 60 ban was introduced, now it’s available to all ages as official policy

 

 

Think that’s a smart move. As Mixed doses has proven to be more successful than double AZ I think this is a smart move that will allow us to better deploy resources and use up the AZ stocks we have in a way that might be more reassuring to folks. Would be interested to see if any other nations follow this move. I’m not sure what policies have been in place for second doses for ages groups unable to take AZ2 due to a ban that came in place between doses. Quite interesting to see what the countries who didn’t restrict AZ do as well.

Went to Asda and had an interesting chat to a bus driver on a seat. I said "may I sit with you. Have had both jabs"

He said "well I haven't had any. I've refused. Don't trust them." You'd think with that job he'd be forced to though wouldn't you. Meeting all those passengers.

He said "it's overrated as it's just bad flu." :rolleyes:

Hardly, told him about my friend Gary dying. He then said that people can die from flu too. I got fed up of arguing with him. :(

Edited July 2, 20214 yr by common sense

Sounds like he knows more than a virologist!

Looking forward to the new excuses from today onwards when people die from Covid:

 

"It's your own personal responsibility to not die, and it's not our fault if a new deadly strain crops up it's people who refused to take personal responsibility and passed it on that are to blame. It's not our fault, we personally made all the various vaccines that are helping you take personal responsibility so we've done our bit, job done, so stop complaining about Long Covid and granny dying, it was your own choice to go and visit her or her choice to leave the house. Oh, but also you still can't go on holiday to a country that has lower Covid rates because your holiday insurance will be invalid because we said you can't go, but if you go it's your own personal responsibility to make sure that you pay for testing before you go and when you come back, but it's OK to go to Bournemouth or Manchester and mix and not have to take tests afterwards."

 

I think I've got the anticipated summary correct.

Looking forward to the new excuses from today onwards when people die from Covid:

 

"It's your own personal responsibility to not die, and it's not our fault if a new deadly strain crops up it's people who refused to take personal responsibility and passed it on that are to blame. It's not our fault, we personally made all the various vaccines that are helping you take personal responsibility so we've done our bit, job done, so stop complaining about Long Covid and granny dying, it was your own choice to go and visit her or her choice to leave the house. Oh, but also you still can't go on holiday to a country that has lower Covid rates because your holiday insurance will be invalid because we said you can't go, but if you go it's your own personal responsibility to make sure that you pay for testing before you go and when you come back, but it's OK to go to Bournemouth or Manchester and mix and not have to take tests afterwards."

 

I think I've got the anticipated summary correct.

 

I totally agree, it's all a bit mad now and who knows where this is going to go. Seems the idea now is all the Torys want a summer holiday without any restrictions and the infection rate will just rip through the younger populations so that natural immunity combined with vaccination immunity means we have herd immunity for winter. I do kind of agree it is now or never and I am for loosening restrictions on the 19th, as if we don't do it now, it's never going to happen and we risk this current wave peaking in the autumn.

I agree restrictions need to be loosened but I'd say the following should still be implemented in keeping people safe until everyone has had both doses of the vaccine;

 

- Masks still compulsory on public transport and close proximity places

- Work from home where possible (I'm not sure WHY some businesses are so hell-bent on going back, it's the main reason I've quit my current job)

- Potentially having to scan into venue to show you're not positive or symptomatic

 

All of the above is easily done, it feels like too much at once and I'm worried it will lead to restrictions putting back upon us again, but we will see!

Yeh I think they will just keep an eye on it and hope that the younger populations who get it won’t be as effected by it in terms of hospitalisations.

 

Anyone got the data for hospita admission increases? We always here the new amount of cases but never how that’s effecting the hospitals.

The only thing I’ve seen so far suggests an uptick in admissions in Scotland but quite gradual and not at hugely concerning levels. Of course the real rapid spike in Scotland is only a week or so old and the hospitals tend to run around 3-4 wks behind an initial upswing

Yeh I think they will just keep an eye on it and hope that the younger populations who get it won’t be as effected by it in terms of hospitalisations.

 

Anyone got the data for hospita admission increases? We always here the new amount of cases but never how that’s effecting the hospitals.

 

The Northern Ireland COVID dashboard has good information showing hospital numbers. It does show that in NI that admissions to hospital are rising slightly, but still with reduced numbers, and they seem to be spending less time in hospital than before.

 

Also, being in hospital with COVID doesn’t necessarily mean that it is the COVID itself that warrants the hospitalisation. One of the people I know who is hospitalised had a heart attack a few months ago, and even though after catching COVID the doctors don’t think that she is at any risk from COVID, they kept her in hospital just to be on the safe side due to the other underlying condition.

I agree restrictions need to be loosened but I'd say the following should still be implemented in keeping people safe until everyone has had both doses of the vaccine;

 

- Masks still compulsory on public transport and close proximity places

- Work from home where possible (I'm not sure WHY some businesses are so hell-bent on going back, it's the main reason I've quit my current job)

- Potentially having to scan into venue to show you're not positive or symptomatic

 

All of the above is easily done, it feels like too much at once and I'm worried it will lead to restrictions putting back upon us again, but we will see!

Fully agree with all of this! Especially making mask wearing on public transport still compulsory, you just know that at least 95% of people will not a mask in those places if they don't have to. I think the UK's vaccine rollout hasn't been quick enough. In America they didn't fuck about at all with the rollout, it was made available to people of all age groups very early on. People I know who live in America and who are in their mid 20's already had both jabs by March/April and people were able to turn up to a pharmacy and get a jab without needing to book an appointment much earlier there as well.

I don't know how I feel about it. I feel like I have full Stockholm syndrome now which is worrying enough in itself.

 

I do think that wearing masks when walking around inside a bar etc but taking them off when sat down is a bit security theatre. Likewise when the counter is behind a screen and yet the people working still are made to wear a mask too.

Fully agree with all of this! Especially making mask wearing on public transport still compulsory, you just know that at least 95% of people will not a mask in those places if they don't have to. I think the UK's vaccine rollout hasn't been quick enough. In America they didn't fuck about at all with the rollout, it was made available to people of all age groups very early on. People I know who live in America and who are in their mid 20's already had both jabs by March/April and people were able to turn up to a pharmacy and get a jab without needing to book an appointment much earlier there as well.

 

Certain States in the US don't have anywhere near the same levels of protection in the more vulnerable groups though. Just like France want to vaccinate school kids, it's because the more vulnerable are not taking the vaccine. Hard to really fault our vaccine rollout, the only blemish is really the JCVI recommendation of AZ in the under-40s.

 

The only good news still is the hospitalisations are still fairly low and don't seem to be rising the same way they did in previous waves. I still think this rush to make everything as normal as possible is a bit mad, especially on public transport.